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[–] [email protected] 125 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Reminds me of a joke on a Bright Eyes song.

"There's a Communist and an Anarchist in a car who's driving? The cop."

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's not a joke if it's true

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (18 children)

It's not true, though. The Marxists, safely behind a wall, convinced the undecideds to give the gun to the Fascist.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No they didn't, what a boring take divorced from reality.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If liberals ever critically analyzed reality they'd be marxists.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 2 months ago (9 children)

A Marxist is stuck in a room with a liberal, a fascist, and an anarchist. The Marxist has one gun and two bullets. What does the Marxist do? Shoot the liberal and the anarchist.

(Based off actual historical events.)

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

The Soviet Union did more to stop the fascists than anyone else, and 27 million people in the Soviet Union were killed in the fight.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Yeah, but that's after they made an alliance with Nazi Germany. An alliance Germany broke, not the USSR.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (9 children)

The USSR first sought an alliance with Britain and France which was rejected, so they signed a non-aggression pact with Germany. Britain and France also signed a non-aggression pact with Germany, betraying one of their allies (Czechoslovakia) in exchange.

Should we take the fact that the US and USSR fought on the same side in WWII to say that they were always close friends and ideologically aligned, completely ignoring everything else? Because if anything that would be more reasonable to assert, because it never escalated to a hot war between the two.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The Telegraph, 2008: Stalin 'planned to send a million troops to stop Hitler if Britain and France agreed pact' | Stalin was 'prepared to move more than a million Soviet troops to the German border to deter Hitler's aggression just before the Second World War'

Papers which were kept secret for almost 70 years show that the Soviet Union proposed sending a powerful military force in an effort to entice Britain and France into an anti-Nazi alliance.

Such an agreement could have changed the course of 20th century history, preventing Hitler's pact with Stalin which gave him free rein to go to war with Germany's other neighbours.

The offer of a military force to help contain Hitler was made by a senior Soviet military delegation at a Kremlin meeting with senior British and French officers, two weeks before war broke out in 1939.

The new documents, copies of which have been seen by The Sunday Telegraph, show the vast numbers of infantry, artillery and airborne forces which Stalin's generals said could be dispatched, if Polish objections to the Red Army crossing its territory could first be overcome.

But the British and French side - briefed by their governments to talk, but not authorised to commit to binding deals - did not respond to the Soviet offer, made on August 15, 1939. Instead, Stalin turned to Germany, signing the notorious non-aggression treaty with Hitler barely a week later.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, named after the foreign secretaries of the two countries, came on August 23 - just a week before Nazi Germany attacked Poland, thereby sparking the outbreak of the war. But it would never have happened if Stalin's offer of a western alliance had been accepted, according to retired Russian foreign intelligence service Major General Lev Sotskov, who sorted the 700 pages of declassified documents.

"This was the final chance to slay the wolf, even after [British Conservative prime minister Neville] Chamberlain and the French had given up Czechoslovakia to German aggression the previous year in the Munich Agreement," said Gen Sotskov, 75.

The Soviet offer - made by war minister Marshall Klementi Voroshilov and Red Army chief of general staff Boris Shaposhnikov - would have put up to 120 infantry divisions (each with some 19,000 troops), 16 cavalry divisions, 5,000 heavy artillery pieces, 9,500 tanks and up to 5,500 fighter aircraft and bombers on Germany's borders in the event of war in the west, declassified minutes of the meeting show.

But Admiral Sir Reginald Drax, who lead the British delegation, told his Soviet counterparts that he authorised only to talk, not to make deals.

"Had the British, French and their European ally Poland, taken this offer seriously then together we could have put some 300 or more divisions into the field on two fronts against Germany - double the number Hitler had at the time," said Gen Sotskov, who joined the Soviet intelligence service in 1956. "This was a chance to save the world or at least stop the wolf in its tracks."

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (10 children)

If anyone disagrees:

Kronstadt

Spanish Civil War

Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact

The War in Ukraine

Etc.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Historically, the Marxists were the ones that stopped the Nazis. 80% of combat in WWII was fought on the Eastern Front. Meanwhile, the liberals in Germany had linked hands with the Nazis to exterminate the Marxists early on in the Nazi rise to power. Additionally, the Soviets were the only ones materially backing the Anarchists in Spain.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 2 months ago (3 children)

“Do you know why people don’t like liberals? Because they lose. If liberals are so fucking smart, how come they lose so god damn always?” - Will MacAvoy, Newsroom

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Imagine having 4 years to prepare

With all the state apparatus behind them announcing day and night that Trump was "literally the worst human bean ever"

Basically all the universities and all the highly educated population by their side

With massive approval from their voter base

With huge sums of money for propaganda in the private media.

With all the considerably large powers of the current executive

Able to pass laws

Able to influence worldwide political movements to bash their opposition at any time through grants

Able to start or stop wars worldwide should the need arise

And they still lost to Trump LMAO 🤣

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

Democrats lost the 2024 election in the 2020 election. Biden was a moderate that solved nothing, making poor white people angrier.

The only ways to make poor white people less angry will make billionaires angry.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (25 children)

A leftist is stuck in a room with another leftist and a fascist.

The leftist has one gun and two bullets, and they must be used.

What does the leftist do?

Shoot the other leftist twice.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

... then claim the other leftist making an edgy joke at the age of 14 is a proof they were the real fascist.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 months ago (12 children)

And then blame the Party for not providing more attractive choices.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Our choices were Fascism or Corporatism. Why wouldn't we blame the parties?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I blame the Democratic party as much as anybody else for not being progressive enough, but nobody can blame a party for their own decision not to vote.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

I'm saving this one. Too on the nose.

"Christo-fascists are coming!"

They're already here.

"They're rounding up brown people and LGBT will be next!"

Been saying concentration camps and trains are inbound for years now.

"Give up your guns!"

Perhaps liberals should take a WWII history class?

"But they'll kill you if you defend yourself!"

Yes, that often happens when fighting fascists.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

People don't consider that there are worse things than going out in a gun battle. Much much worse.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Of course they started with 6 bullets but the liberal and the fascist liked to pass the gun around and take pot shots at the marxist every so often so the marxist couldn't ever influence or overpower them. This is just the moment the liberal realized there were only two bullets left.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago (27 children)

What's a liberal according to Lemmy? Economically liberal and socially liberal? Social democrat? Obama or Bernie?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I'm just curious. How long would you consider a reasonably quick read expressed in hours?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (7 children)

If you see anti-liberal sentiment that means "capitalism" which means "western world power" because some parts of Lemmy is overrun with CCP trolls and bots.

The actual definition of Liberal is meaningless here, but worth noting it means "advocate of equality and personal rights and freedoms".

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

It kind of has a double meaning. One side is someone who believes in like democracy, freedom, human rights, and the other side is someone who believes in private property. For historical reasons, the two tendencies are like joined together on most things, but there are differences.

A lot of leftists don't like liberals because they defend private property and capitalism, but a lot of liberals see themselves as leftists because of those progressive values.

Whether or not a liberal is left wing very much depends on the liberal. Every socialist was once a liberal, whether they were political or not. Conservatives are a kind of liberal, but with the progressive parts removed so it only defends private property.

capitalism is really good at like hiding away its injustice behind contracts and laws, a socialist would see those laws as unjust and want to do radical reforms up to and including overthrow of the ruling billionaires. a liberal might not see the injustice, or if they do, tend to want to stick to courts and reforms because it does contain elements of fairness and justice. liberal justice is more fair than feudal justice, but less than what many socialists would like.

The meme is a reference to the idea that social democracy, liberalism and fascism are all different aspects of capitalism.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Lemmy.world is such a weird place, man. I also like how in the propaganda version, LW is like this crazy liberal place where you will get banned for saying what based on this comment and voting is clearly the majority view.

So this story actually happened, in 1932 Germany. No one had the gun at the beginning. The liberal said to the Marxist, “Holy shit that guy is really dangerous, let’s stop him.” The Marxist said “FUCK YOU YOU’RE REALLY DANGEROUS” and started swinging his fists in every direction. The liberal was still trying to talk with the establishment conservative, to gang up on the fascist, while the Marxist was still windmilling to no particular purpose, when the fascist got the gun. The first one he shot, of course, was the Marxist. The anarchist stood in the corner, facing away from the room, and said that turning around would be giving consent to what was going on, and so he refused to do it.

The Marxist, wounded, left the room, what was left of him, and found the communist room. When he got there, the communists shot him, and killed him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Germany and search for “KPD leaders purged by Stalin”

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

The liberal said to the Marxist, “Holy shit that guy is really dangerous, let’s stop him.”

The liberal in question had spent the last decade handing military equipment to the freikorps to massacre communists before staffing the cabinet with fascists and making Hitler chancellor.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago

Same result, but the liberal asks Israel who should have the gun.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Fuck that shit answer. I'd shoot myself twice.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Nah, the fascist and marxist work together to kill everyone else

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (6 children)

My political positions are somewhere on the left outskirts of Social Democracy, so I've no love for liberals. That said, when I look at the US, it was not the liberals that just gave a fascist not only a gun but an entire army.

[–] Fedegenerate 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

When is it do you believe the Marxists and Anarchists were in power? When do you believe they held the gun to be able to give it away?

Punch up, not down.

To put it in another reference frame. When a video game fails who's fault is it? The millions of consumers? Or the corpo overlords? When democrats fail, is it the fault of millions of voters? Or the fault of corpo overlords? When something fails it is always the responsibility of those in power to affect the most change. Except, when it comes to politics, then we forget that it's those with power that hold responsiblity.

I hate predatory micro transactions and day 1 dlc. I don't blame the people that boycotted them for the prevelence of mtx? I blame the people that demand they be sold first, then I blame the people that sell them, then I blame the people that bought them. It's not the fault of the people that didn't buy them. Except in politics for some reason.

Sorry, I just got recommended a "games are shit now corpos took over, it's the leftist's fault games are bad". The misattribution of blame from 'capital interests' to 'leftists' is so pervasive even the "I'm left of center" crowd are doing it. I didn't engage there but still need the catharsis

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is it a US liberal, or a "rest of the world" liberal (which typically means the opposite)?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Shoot the lock to escape the room, and save the other bullet for whoever locked you up in there.

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