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Windows 11-24H2 installations with certain update statuses can no longer install further updates. Only a manual correction will help.

Last Christmas, a problem with Windows 11 24H2 installations became known that they cannot install further updates if they were installed from an installation medium with certain update statuses. Microsoft has now given up looking for an automated solution to this problem or developing a fix-it tool – The only option available to those affected is manual correction.

Microsoft has confirmed this decision by setting the entry in the Windows Release Health announcements to "resolved". Specifically, the problem description is that a Windows 11 installation on version 24H2, which was installed from a CD (sic) or USB drive with integrated October or November updates from 2024, can no longer install any further security updates. This also includes media created with the Windows Media Creation Tool at those times. However, installations that have downloaded the updates via Windows Update and applied them do not have this problem.

Windows update dropouts: only manual solution available

The entry on the problem from Microsoft has had the status "resolved" since the end of last week. However, it still only contains the previous workaround as a solution: The problem can be solved by overinstalling with an installation medium that contains at least the security updates from December 2024 – i.e. was created from December 10, 2024 –. Microsoft does not mention a fix-it tool, script or other options, such as registry changes.

Such an updated medium can be created with the Windows Media Creation Tool, which is available on Microsoft's Windows 11 download website. This either downloads an ISO file that can be transferred to DVD or creates a bootable USB stick with the Windows installation; this should have at least 8 GB of space.

cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/55122353

https://www.heise.de/en/news/Windows-11-24H2-update-problems-Microsoft-gives-up-on-finding-a-solution-10275962.html

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[–] [email protected] 115 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I'm frequently told that Linux is hard and you need to be a tech guru to use it, yet every week I see 1-2 articles of issues in windows you need to do some bullshit to fix, and in my own use of it I've ran into issues (especially after doing an update) that I just don't run into on Linux or MacOS.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Windows is easy, bro, you just need to run this shady PowerShell script to get rid of ads, run this random EXE from github.ru to disable telemetry, install ClassicShell to make the UI actually usable, install a million utilities for basic features (each from a separate site, of course ; the centralized Windows Store is full of malwarei), then pray sfc /scannow fixes your system after every update.

BTW, don't bother searching for a solution to your problems other than "retry, reboot, reinstall" ; even certified MS professionals don't know how anything works.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I've been on Win10 for years, never had a single problem with any update whatsoever.

Still not subjecting myself to W11 though. As soon as Win10 support ends, I'll make the switch.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I recommend setting up whatever your alternative is a little before committing to ease the transition a bit. It's different, and it's good to fall back to something else for a bit if you get frustrated.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Windows 10 had an update that notoriously broke a lot of games a while back and the only solution was to manually roll it back.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's been the same on win 11. The only experience i have had was at work. I work closely with the updating team, and there have been a few times where things would break like printers, and we would revert the updates to stop it from going to everyone and uninstall. Sometimes, that meant a help desk guy had to go to the pc or remote in to do it manually. I've been there 19 years now, and it's happened twice?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've had my enterprise-distro linux machines updating by cron for 22 years. I had two glitches in those 20 years, too, just like you. But in addition to my two glitches - I had to bring in one unlisted dep for cobbler and also correct the smb.conf's old format on another box - in 20 years, I also got

  • out-of-the-box
  • do-nothing patch runs
  • trivial back-out if I needed it

And while I know your numbers are excellent, I simply haven't had to DO ANYTHING since deploying some boxes. They patch, they bounce later on a weekend if they need it ('needs-rebooting' is centralized because ALL software installs are) and I can patch while under load because linux write-locks instead of read-locking. My effort is to check 'some time later' and ensure things are working in ways nagios doesn't catch.

Printer issues? Nah. Supply thing. App not working because java/perl/python/DLLs rug-pulled a dependency? Proper packages list hard dependencies, so that cobbler thing is a bug not an expectation. Network offline? nah. Reboots? timed at 3 minute downtime (1 min before systemd), or 7 minutes if I just updated 1gb of gitlab install because it starts like a manatee.

It's really a different world; and while I've teased the heck out of my windows peers, it's a true statement.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Same boat here.

The only issues I’ve ever personally run into with Windows are a missing driver for a software I was installing, like twice, and compatibility for gaming which was solved with admin mode and selecting a different compatibility. I’ve used Windows since 3.1

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

At least that shit is somewhat documented.

If you are so sure about the way Linux is fully usable and understandable: Please tell me the proper way to set a static IP via terminal on Raspberry Pi OS and/or Debian bookworm.

Because last I checked (about 4 weeks ago) it was basically impossible.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I believe I tried the exact raspberry forum entry but it didnt catch on even with reboots and whatever I tried.
Saved for the future though.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If you can I would set static IPs from the router though. That's what I do as another device can still take the IP and cause issues.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

At least set it outside your DHCP range.

I have my DHCP set to use from .100 and up, and my static addressee are in the .1-99 range.

I still set it through my router so I have a place to look up which one is which (they're piling up), but they're all in that range.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How you set it can vary depending on what you're running. Linux is all about choice, and choice means multiple ways to do a thing. Places to look:

  • raspi-config - catchall CLI tool on Raspbian, not sure if it covers both of the following, but it's a good option to start with
  • /etc/network/interfaces - the Debian way to do things
  • Network Manager - usually used for desktops, but can be used by servers; if the first two don't work, try this

But you could also have installed something different. If you post your OS and version and what you're running on it, I can give better advice.

That said, normal networking rules apply:

  • don't set a static lease in your DHCP range, or you could get conflicts, which can look like it's not working
  • consider using DHCP and setting the static lease through your router; use the MAC address and you'll never need to mess with network settings on the Pi
  • if you set on the pi, make sure everything is correct (netmask, gateway, interface)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

At least that shit is somewhat documented.

Uhm, Windows? No.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Somewhat. That means partially.

At least there arent 500 different ways to set a static IP.
Don't get me wrong. I like Linux but I can't get warm witg it as a desktop OS besides SteamDeck.
But I like it very much as a server OS.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

So you're saying you don't like the choice in Linux? On a given distro, there's usually one right way and maybe 2 other ways. Learn the right way for your setup and you're good.

If you're using Network Manager, do it the Network Manager way. If you're using Debian as a server, do it the Debian way (`/etc/network/interfaces). If you're using SUSE, do it the SUSE way (YaST).

If you don't want to deal with it, use DHCP (usually default) and set the static lease on your router using the MAC address. That's better anyway because you can change all of your static leases in one spot if you ever need to.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago

I manually corrected mine with Mint, 10/10, do recommend.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I REALLY want to see normies "manually correct" their machines after bragging with Windows supremacy for so long

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (1 children)

normies

bragging with Windows supremacy

I don't think that's as common as you think it is. Most Windows users see Windows as part of the computer, a tool to get the job done. As a DIY'er (basically a tool normie) I don't brag about the supremacy of my Kobalt tools, I just drill the damn hole

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

As far as I know a lot of Windows users are unhappy with Windows itself but can't/won't make the switch for various reasons. I don't mean them, they are usually very nice.

I mean those people who judge you for not using Windows because "Linux is crap because of drivers and updates" (as if those were uncomplicated/unproblematic on Windows) and then blame every tiny inconvenience on Linux. One dude I used to play games with topped it when they blamed my Linux distro for him experiencing lags claiming Linux was "messing with the game server" (before that they used to say "switch back to Windows" every time I encountered lags or similar).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Most users could work with Linux without problems. They are using their browser, maybe a mail client and maybe some office suite to write stuff. If you mention this on the internet, there will always be someone who shows up and complains that his personal workflow with some obscure software that powers the nuclear reactor that he is running as hobby in his home won't work with Linux.

It's kind of the same with discussions about commuting/bicycles/cars. If you're discussing that maybe more people could commute by bike, the same people will show up and complain that this would not be possible for them because they live on a remote mountain top in the scorching desert far away from civilization and it's raining every day where they live.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

MS Office's lie of WYSIWYG and the idiotic requirements to follow absurdly complicated formatting guidelines and them not rendering the same from system to system or even correctly is the most brutal offender. If we used simplistic markdown without page-breaking in the GUI, there could've been no point to buy Office, but we don't, and itso hsppens I had encountered many times where some arbitrary cosmetic request like 'you can't have less than X lines per page' caused people toy with formatting or rewriting their documents... only for it showing differently on the other side >:ç Thus leading to even worse things like PDF.

It being the most used piece of office software renders the voluntary switch close to impossible.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let's be honest: That totally is a monopolistic tactic of Microsoft and regulators would do great to force this open. Force them to release a Linux Office. Force them to really make their file format transparent so that everybody can write working parsers

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you can only do X and Y is marginally similar how easy do you think it is to switch to Y?
I have customers that are unable to handle cables I described in great detail. They are afraid. Trying to push them to do anything is hard af.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Some of them just don't want to take responsibility if they do something wrong under your instructions.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

It's more of a prison for me. I just had to buy a new Win11 machine cause the software I depend on is cutting Win10 operation this year. Sucks

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago

That manual correction: installing Linux.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)
  1. Manually insert USB drive with bootable Linux ISO of choice
  2. Profit!
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

2 is usually install, using a live version of Linux kinda sucks.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What a hot mess Windows has become. It's over, Microsoft. Give it up. Your precious hacks on top of hacks on top of half-ass fixes on top of even more hacks of half-ass fixes has finally become unfixable.

It's time to move on.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (14 children)

That's just what I like to see from an OS developer. "We fucked it up, but dunno how to fix it..."

IMO, to keep Windows competitive with Linux they need a complete rewrite from absolute scratch. It's realistically the only way that's going to keep Microsoft on top in the long term. And they'll never do it because of how expensive it'll be.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

the only way that’s going to keep Microsoft on top in the long term.

You underestimate the complacency of the masses.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I rather think you do.

There will come a point where working around Windows quirks takes up more time than it does to simply seek and learn something else. This is organically how most people seek to find alternatives to software and begin to jump ship.

This is why PHP, as a programming language was replaced. Despite its popularity it became increasingly inconvenient to use. As such, they created other languages to replace it. They took the time to create an entirely new development language to sidestep the inconvenience of using PHP...

The same will eventually happen to Windows. Unquestionably.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There's a massive difference between the average Windows user and the average PHP developer. It's a false equivalence.

The regular computer user who just needs their apps to run won't likely make the effort to enter an entirely new ecosystem as long as those apps run. Even with the most user-friendly distros, the barrier of entry is still high. And when their apps break? They'll reinstall Windows or pay someone else to fix it.

I love shitting on Microsoft as much as the next penguin, but they're not idiots. Even if some of their decisions are questionable, Windows is still a major part of their business, and they won't just let it degrade to a point where Linux converts are a significant threat to their profit.

(I did not downvote you, by the way, that was someone else)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They rewrote the taskbar and Start menu for Windows 11, and left out stuff like being able to move the taskbar or even have separate taskbar items for each instance of an application. Rewriting the whole OS would be a disaster.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (4 children)

"Consent required for free use" I doubt this is legal in the EU.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I just copy pasted the article into the post so people can read it without having to consent

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

It sadly is, or at least the data protection agencies don't act against it. They only declared it illegal under the digital services act for big gatekeepers like facebook.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Microsoftatemyface

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I made the switch too! I bought a MacBook! After 40 years of MS OSes, Outlook-online and Windows 11 made me quit. And so far so good!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Welp, guess I won't be able to fix my Windows install

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

And yet again: install Linux. I've been a happy lojix desktop user forever 2 decades now. Linux was ready for normal users 10 years ago, it was more than ready 5 years ago, and it is definitely beyond ready today

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