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[–] [email protected] 117 points 1 month ago

The reenactment would be more convincing if they arranged the aircraft to look like train cattle cars and packed the deportees more tightly inside.

[–] [email protected] 109 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Next you'll tell me they're wearing pointy white "balaclavas".

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)

ICE is already wearing non-pointy ones to hide their faces while they illegally detain people.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Makes sense, they don't want to be pointed out from a lineup for just following orders.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 month ago (3 children)

No names, no unit numbers, no way to definitively recognize any given individual at a glance?

So... hypothetically... someone who's not part of one of the active units, but who has the uniform, the ability to act the part, and the information required to make it happen, might be able to blend in with the oppressors during a military operation? Hmm.

o but pfft don't listen to me. I'm just a wild-talking stoner with ADHD

#stonerthoughts #hypothetical #justgirlythings #lol

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

If someone's got all that, then they're active military members. Also, the squadron would instantly recognize you as a new face and you'd suddenly become the center of attention within minutes. Even if you have a convincing story, everyone wants to know where you sit in the chain of command. Hell, the way civilians stand would make you stick out.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As a person from a military family, they'd clock you instantly. Once you live among military people, you begin to be able to spot who is or isn't military instantly. Even not being in the military myself, I can almost always at least guess their branch and get within a rank or 2. I've never seen my dad not get branch and exact rank within a couple seconds of talking to someone

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Gary Ashworth was the first name i saw and he has a very punchable face

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Always have been 🌍👨‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago (31 children)

Hey gang, I'm very closely related to this field and wanted to share some insight into this!

This is VERY COMMON practice for these situations. The idea is not to cover up inhumane tactics, but protect our personnel. While I'm sure a majority of these individuals are simple illegal immigrants who have no ill intentions, there are criminal gangs being caught up in this. Not the entire gang is being picked up, just the illegal immigrants. So the policy of removing identification from the uniforms is to protect the military member and their family.

These commands come from the highest level, meaning each individual service member is not making the decision for themselves, but they are being commanded as a whole. Much as some might not like the connotations associated with this, it is a common practice and relevant due to the stated purpose of these missions.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago (27 children)

This is VERY COMMON practice for these situations.

No, no it's not. Maybe when operating in dangerous missions while deployed overseas.... While working on American soil? No.

None of the other branches being ordered to do similarly sketchy quasi unconstitutional work have removed their identifiers, none of the other branches have opted to classify the work they are doing.

The Air Force has a pretty well known history of racism, rape, and Christian nationalist in their command structure. Out of all the branches it doesn't surprise me at all that the Air Force is the branch falling over itself to follow trump's orders.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (32 children)

This is VERY COMMON practice for these situations.

Maybe it shouldn't be. You know, what with accountability being a thing that people should be held to...

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

Thank you for sharing your perspective and informing us that cowardly evasion of accountability in the execution of inhumane operations is a common practice in the service. Some folks out there might not have suspected this already.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They always have another option: walk away.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (5 children)

That is literally not an option for a very large majority of these service members. That'll be an Article 15 for sure, maybe a courtmartial.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

Yes, the people made to assist the Nazis in the 1930s/40s had to make some tough decisions too.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Taking an Article 15 or court-martial instead of participating in massive civil rights violations not only absolutely is an option, but it's the only ethical one!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

They executed Nazis who were "just following orders."

Rightfully so.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Resigning ones commission is exactly the type of meaningful protest that is needed. Nazis soldiers got pay and retirement benefits as well but tough things are tough to do. It sorta cracks me up because you say literally not an option and then present the very literal options they have.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

The idea is not to cover up inhumane tactics, but protect our personnel

No, its just to cover up crimes against humanity. Let's be real here, and yes, I was also an aircraft crewmember.

The best way to protect them is to not put them there in the first place, for a law enforcement operation.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

They're just rounding up the dangerous Jews, I mean illegal immigrants. Everybody relax.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We're just trying to hide our identity while committing crimes acting on orders from the Criminal in Chief because all of our white robes and hoods turned pink due to a MAGA cap that somehow ended up in the wash.

Got it.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Being in America without paperwork isn't a criminal charge, it is civil, so they aren't even here illegally, by the definition of the law. They are undocumented immigrants, not illegal.

The Nazis are trying to change the narrative to make it sound like there's an evil scary cabal of people trying to destroy out country, to move the arrow away from pointing at the Nazis in power.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

I am not sure leaving now and letting people who may not have scruples about illegal orders remain is a good idea. If anything, it may be the opposite.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

Fuck's sake

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Same thing they did when beating up and shooting BLM.

Edit: It’a really hard to find any report on the events during the BLM protests. I distinctly remember many mentions of the LEOs involved in shooting “rubber bullets” at protesters and beating them not having any identifying information on them. No names, no agency tags, nothing.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/politics/law-enforcement-badges-protests/index.html

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Wasn't it like that for several days, nobody even knew who is abducting people from the street?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So, they are considered unlawful combatants? And therefore do not get the protections afforded under the Geneva Conventions, right?

Right?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Talk about jumping 4 steps down the road.

They are uniformed. No global convention or agreement mandates those elements be on a uniform. The nametag, unit patch, and other items on the uniform are just ways that force happens to enhance identification within the unit.

They are identified as uniformed members of a military force. This satisfies the convention.

None of this matters or applies at all given that there is no combat occurring that would fall under the Geneva convention. So they could be plain clothes officers and it wouldn’t apply.

Trump is a sack of dog turds, and what he is doing is largely stupid speed run overreach, but this hyperbolic shit just harms credibility of the already massive list of shit he is violating.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So like a secret police force? Hmmm where have I heard that term before...

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago
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