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[–] [email protected] 88 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Taxes are not the problem. Billionaires grabbing the money on the other side are the problem.

Know the difference

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Taxes are also the problem in countries like the US and China wherein income tax only exists to remove currency from circulation. There's plenty of other ways to do that in a digital world.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Don’t worry DOGE will fix that and every American will get a refund!

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yep, and this cartoon feels like America would keep voting for this stupid fascist stuff as long as they keep promising the Libertarian ideal of lower and lower taxes.

Americans trained to defund America, the enemy was inside all along.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Have you read A Libertarian Walks Into a Bear?

At the end of the libertarian experiment (which surprisingly ended in failure) they had almost no services in the town yet still paid as much taxes as the neighboring towns which had tons of fully funded services.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Know you're joking, but just think it's funny to point out that one of DOGE's first acts was to try to kill the direct file system the IRS maintains to make it easier for some people to file their taxes. I feel like that one didn't get a lot of coverage.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

And they just fired a huge chunk of the IRS as well.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

... Right into Col. Musks bank account!

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Not of MUTT can have anything to say about it

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's very hard to find the motivation to pay taxes to a federal government that doesn't represent me. "No taxation without representation" drove the revolution against our original king after all...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Now that it's clear the Federal government is just using tax money to give to billionaires, it's going to be extra painful this year. It genuinely just feels like a protection racket now. Pay money to the ruling class, or their enforcers will haul you away to prison.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In the country where you don't know what you ll end up paying unless you go to the counter, because the taxes are not included, its only "logical" to not have your taxes deducted from your payslio because reasons

I ll never understand this shit, smh

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I'm not sure what country you're talking about, but I assume the U.S. We do have taxes deducted from payroll, and you fill out a form telling the employer (and the IRS) what amount to deduct based on estimated income, family size, and a couple of other factors. Then in April we have to file our official tax form declaring actual income, and if we owe less than what was deducted from our paychecks we receive that back as a refund, but if we underestimated we have to pay whatever taxes are remaining. The reason that filing taxes is so complicated is the sheer volume of deductions, exemptions, credits, etc that have been piled on top of the tax code over the years (plus lobbying by the tax prep industry). It's a stupid system, but it's not as stupid as some people seem to be assuming in this thread. If you set up your withholding right, you shouldn't ever owe taxes when it's time to file.

Now, if you're self-employed or a contractor (and considered self-employed) the whole thing kind of falls apart and it's a lot easier to wind up owning a bunch of money. Like I said, it is a stupid system, just not quite as crazy as some people seem to be assuming.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

To add one thing to the only reasonable comment I've seen in this thread: if you're poorer, your taxes are probably easy and straightforward. If you have money and your taxes are more complicated, you can probably afford to have someone do them for you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I can't agree with this enough, though I think part of the problem is that it isn't what's easy to complete your W-4 accurately, there is an entire worksheet to use if you file jointly that is sorta difficult to do well, especially if both people make fairly different amounts. If you just choose the basic withholding it's very likely the bigger breadwinner isn't withholding enough and you'll end up owing about what the comic shows (at least that is my experience, as well as some friends).

I think the real problem in the US is that everyone is left to do their tax paperwork from scratch every year when the IRS could send you a personalized return prefilled that you then claim the deductions and credits you're due and account for any descrpenices (which sure, is what your W-2 is supposed to be, but it isn't really that, you still need to use the worksheets on the 1040 or pay someone/some software to do it for you; a prefilled 1040 would be a way better system).

It also doesn't account for the huge variations in state taxes. Many states have income taxes, some are reciprocal with nearby states and others aren't, the deductions and credits and even what is taxable is all different. The whole thing is a mess. Then lord help you if you live in a state with local income taxes or one where your local taxes are different than school taxes(like PA) and the whole thing is a half day exercise in frustration to complete and you're still left wondering if you did it right.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm not by any means trying to say that the American system is the best way of doing things. It's definitely not, and to be honest I've never quite managed to get my state withholding right - I almost always owe a little bit (usually a hundred dollars or so). But some folks seem to have gotten some strange ideas about how bad it actually is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Yeah, we almost always owe a tiny bit (usually less than $100, often less than $50) to the state. I don't really understand how I can get so close but still miss it every year but overpay federal taxes when it's all based on the same W-4 I give to my employer.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

If you set up your withholding right, you shouldn’t ever owe taxes when it’s time to file.

Thing is, here in Germany you don't even get to make the mistake of setting up your withholdings wrong if you're a regular employee. I don't think it's even possible to end up owing the state money if you're not self-employed or have considerable capital investments (which is rare for regular employees, which is probably its own issue ...).

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you live in the USA then the government didnt decide to keep making it worse, the people did.

GOP wrote the last tax plan and they're about to write the new one.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

This is why I don't blame the politicians. I blame the people

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Blame the people who pay off the politicias and put rightwing propaganda on almost all mainstream media. Common people have to spend a LOT of effort to get even a resemblance of agency.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Funny story, the people also chose not to pursue campaign finance laws. It's been an issue on the DNC platform for 25 years, they even successfully removed the vast majority of money from politics until the Citizens United SCOTUS decision undid their work.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

The people are partially to blame, but let's be real, the voting system practically guarantees voter disenfranchisement.

It's how the US has ended up with the far right, and right-lite-maybe-a-little-good-stuff-but-mostly-capitalism-status-quo party duopoly.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I ended up owning $38

fucking win! I'm not going look at the total paid in thought, it's much much more than $1.2k

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Haha, my last tax filing I owed another $40k.

My own fault for not paying taxes during the year though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This government doesn't deserve our tax dollars. Theyve made it clear they're funneling as much as possible straight to the billionaires.

Just don't pay.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

And what would that do?

They already run a deficit, so they'll run a bigger deficit. Printing money is a flat tax on everyone. So not paying taxes is just applying a flat tax on others.

Plus you get to go to jail and cost me money to support you there.

I'm all for effective protest, but this doesn't seem to be it.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Good luck getting that tariff money to pay for local roads and schools.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I'm sure that Elon Musk will agree with you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Before the feds went fascist, this was hyperbole. Now it's simply the truth, for federal, anyway. At least my state taxes are still being used for public benefit.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If Americans want a proper country, yall better get used to paying 40% taxes like in Europe muhahahahah!!!
Ok, some parts of Europe..

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Bracketed income tax is a thing for a reason, and it is a good reason.

more income == more tax.

If I'm making less than $20k/year, there's no reason to give a shit about my taxes, just let me live yo.

If I'm making $200k+/year, then we have a conversation on our hands.

If I'm making 2,000k+/year, then we have a problem and the conversation should have have been completed by now.

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exact numbers are not relevant. if you have a functioning brain, then you know what I mean.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

How fucked are you if you don’t file?

I didn’t file last year, because I’ve been in a clusterfuck of borderline homelessness and odd jobs for the past two years. Idk if I am even able to file this year if I didn’t last?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Income amount that requires you to file

If you were under 65 at the end of 2024

If your filing status is: File a tax return if your gross income is:
Single $14,600 or more
Head of household $21,900 or more
Married filing jointly $29,200 or more (both spouses under 65) $30,750 or more (one spouse under 65)
Married filing separately $5 or more
Qualifying surviving spouse $29,200 or more

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/check-if-you-need-to-file-a-tax-return

I’ve had to work with the irs a few times in my life and they were always reasonable and understanding. I lost everything and had to scrounge up $200k by selling off a business and everything but a shirt off my back and they never charged interest or late fees because I always answered their calls and kept them updated on what was going on. I know many others have had different experiences but the two times I was in deep shit and desperate times I walked away with a positive experience from the irs.

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