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[–] [email protected] 214 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I believe this is the part where we get sued for not buying his cars.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think he would be relieved to get rid of Tesla if someone would buy it. The full self-driving promise was always a matter of interpretation, and the cars they build are more expensive symbols of status than practical products. Tesla can’t compete with global EV manufacturers, that’s a Damocles sword waiting to fall.

SpaceX is where the money is now, and all the electric innovation Tesla did can be used for something else.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

The full self-driving promise was always a matter of interpretation

There's nothing to interpret. It does not fully drive itself.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago

Musk is neither a Tesla nor an Edison; he is a Barnum.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago

Musk is getting $8 million each day from the US government to destroy the US government. He was given $44 billion to destroy Twitter. He's not worried about money.

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[–] [email protected] 198 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Nobody at Tesla headquarters voted to alienate their customer base. No board meeting decided to turn their electric car company into a political lightning rod.

This is technically not true. The board keeps Elon Musk on as CEO of Tesla, and they granted him the biggest bonus package ever, while he was already very controversial and clearly was losing his mind, because they thought he would be able to make them money.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You're right, that's not just technically untrue. The board voted with their wallet, by giving him even more money than ever, so he could continue doing what he is doing. The people on the board wouldn't give a shit if only Nazis buy their cars, as long as there's enough of them to keep buying.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Well joke's on them though, because it seems Musk has found a way to tap US citizens directly, so he probably doesn't even care much about Tesla anymore now that it is failing.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

About a week ago I saw a brand new model Y (still had the 90 day temporary plate) sporting one of those "bought before elon..." stickers.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Elon has always been a terrible person, but he was once focused on things that society actually needed, like electrifying transportation to avoid climate collapse.

He seems to have gone sharply downhill into total insanity by taking ketamine while locking himself in a rightwing echo chamber. It’s the perfect storm of dissociating from reality.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Potential ketamine addiction aside, he's just gravitated toward where he sees more money and unfluence for himself. He wanted the prestige of being a leader in tech, so he used his influence and money to build SpaceX. Then he bullied his way into the ownership of Tesla, desperately wanting to appear as a genius to libertarian and liberal minds alike, but he's never been any less of an authoritarian. When Trump rose to power the first time, he sat and watched and along with the rest of the Silicon Valley Moguls, he began to move himself into positions of influence with populist politicians, borrowing the evangelical right's playbooks and throwing himself into the spotlight no matter the reason. He pivoted off his falsified image as some kind of American self-starter into MAGA rhetoric.

Musk doesn't have lofty ideals or any real focus on the betterment of society. I don't think he ever did. He just wanted to be a real life Tony Stark and command the influence that came with it. Now he doesn't need to, because he's got Trump in his back pocket and is mostly untouchable by any normal means.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'll never stop laughing when Tony Stark treats Musk as a nobody.

Iron Man II, "Yeah. Later. Blown. Off. Bet Musk is still proud of that cameo.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Elon has always been a terrible person

The problem with Elon is he's been provably an idiot for the past 25 years.

The first thing I ever heard about Musky is that back in 2000-ish he wanted PayPal to take their infra, throw out all the Linux/BSD in use, and move everything to Windows NT.

Anyone who was even remotely IT adjacent in that era can come along and tell you how utterly moronic that idea is.

Anytime I've ever heard him blather on about some stupid shit that doesn't exist except in his delusions or talk about, well, ANYTHING technical or specialized all I was ever able to think of is that he got lucky that Thiel didn't drain all of his blood and leave his corpse in a ditch.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Knowing how badly Tesla has managed their supply chain, it's possible they paid for it in 2016.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Will he really need customers much longer? I mean it seems like he can just have any government agency replace their fleet with his trash in the name of "efficiency".

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

Remember 2015? A Tesla parked in your driveway told your neighbours that you valued innovation, that you possessed an environmental conscience, that you had a stake in the future of the planet. The cars weren't perfect, but they meant something. They represented hope - for clean energy, EVs, and a world beyond fossil fuels.

This was me years go. I knew climate change was real and an imminent threat. I wanted to vote with my wallet for a cleaner future. I also wanted to strike a blow against the National Automotive Dealers Association for their regressive practices that hurt consumers and drive prices for cars higher for everyone. Buying a Tesla did those things. I charge the car on sunlight from my house. I don't have to support the petroleum industry's damage to environment and people around the world. I was proud to be doing something rather than just talking about needs for changes against climate change.

Musk doesn't get any of my money from this car. I don't pay for any of the Tesla monthly services. I'm don't want to be seen driving with a Tesla logo on the car. I'm ashamed that my good intentions funded a fascist.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There is no shame in your ownership of the vehicle based on your intentions; I would humbly assert that anger is a more appropriate reaction to the current leadership of the company that made it. If strangers judge you, that’s on them.

If I had had the means to purchase one 10+ years ago, I would have. Most people who claim they wouldn’t are not being honest with themselves or disapproved of the virtue signaling associated with them at the time.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 weeks ago

A more concise headline is "Nobody wants a Swastikar"

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Tesla might have to go on welfare... by having the US government buy thousands upon thousands of Teslas. 🤮

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Swasticars for a fascist government. Makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

The popo using cybertrucks would really be the cherry on the techno-feudalist hellscape cake.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

We all know what’s going to happen, Elon just going to get a “government contract”, where he can make it so that teslas will be the main vehicle manufacturer for government.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

nobody wants a defective car.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

Everyone forgets where the German cars, Henry Ford, etc came from politically.

I was looking into my first EV, and politics just didn’t weigh that much into the decision. Now, the “infotainment as a perpetual service”, that turned me off and away from Tesla. With CarPlay my car dash will never lose service, and will always be free to use with updates from Apple/Google. I can’t imagine why people would ever pay for their infotainment when CarPlay is better or equal in all cases to the alternative.

That said, if Tesla and other brands were equally weighted in my purchase decision, I’d then happily rule Tesla out based on merit.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

German cars come from Carl Benz, who built the first automobile in 1885, four years before Hitlers birth.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Are either Ford or Mercedes currently run by Nazis? Can the average person on the street name the CEO of either of them?

The problem with Tesla is that everyone hates the guy who has made himself the face of the company at a time when there are plenty of alternatives.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What?

Revenue [increased] 2% to $25.71 billion

Yes. Only 25.7 billion dollars. It's practically dead.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago

Q4 2024 was before all the overt nazi shit.

But I agree that calling it dead is premature.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

its not the death of the electric car. Its the death of a bad one.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I would like a Chinese EV, but the capitalists are enforcing protectionism.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

I would too, but you have to understand why the USA is blocking these cars from coming in. The cost of these cheap EVs are not based off of supply and demand. Its not even this cheap because of effectiveness or efficiencies. Its from the CCP subsidies. The CCP wants to dump on the competition in efforts to kill off anyone making a car, then start jacking up the price after they have market share.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

My dude the US subsidizes the shit out of its electric car industry. When someone brings up "supply and demand" and just tries to pretend that the economy is exactly what they learned in their econ101 class.

They are doing the tarrifs on Chinese EVS because (1) they can't compete on price and (2) the Chinese EVS are just a superior product.

You're right on China though. They are just doing exactly what the US has done for decades. It's just that the US doesn't like having to actually compete with another country. So instead of actually making better and cheaper cars they instead just decide to tell the American people "nah, looks like you're just being a shit Tesla"

The US loves to say "free market" but notice how they don't allow a free market to force their industry to actually innovate and compete.

China is not "cheating" by subsidizing it's industry. That's literally just standard shit every government does. Thats just an excuse. America is subsidizing it's EVs too. They just have worse EVs.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Well VW is still around. Maybe Teslas will be classic cars in 80 years.

/s: They will all self immolate.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Musk chased right-wing approval, but the only thing he got was declining sales and a dying brand.

I mean he got tens of billions of dollars in increased wealth so I dunno if I'd say that.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

8% drop in car sales isn't great but I think the article is overselling the idea that the company is straight up dying. (Sadly) Most people just don't make a connection between how they spend their money and the politics of the people they prop up.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Tesla is definitely dying unless they can turn this around quickly.
Surplus capacity is expensive, and I bet they are already operating at a loss. And turning around a bad reputation is hard.
Their models are dated, the cheap Tesla is cancelled, the Cybertruck is a catastrophic fiasco, and the model Y has already lost a lot of popularity, so even a new mode already said to be mostly a facelift, is unlikely to make a huge difference.
The drop in sales in January in EU is 50%, and they are losing market share in China and USA too. So I think the actual drop is higher now than 8%.
Note that for Nissan a 5% drop last year was called catastrophic!! And their survival is also questioned, and they are way bigger than Tesla.

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