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[-] [email protected] 57 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

For the people like me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Tans

The Black and Tans (Irish: Dúchrónaigh) were constables recruited into the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) as reinforcements during the Irish War of Independence.[1][2] Recruitment began in Great Britain in January 1920, and about 10,000 men enlisted during the conflict. The majority were unemployed former British soldiers from England, Scotland and Wales who had fought in the First World War. Some sources count Irish recruits to the RIC from 1920 as "Black and Tans."[3][4][5][6][7]

The Black and Tans had a reputation for brutality; they committed murder, arson and looting and became notorious for reprisal attacks on civilians and civilian property. Their actions further swayed Irish public opinion against British rule and drew condemnation in Britain. The Black and Tans were sometimes confused with the Auxiliary Division, a counterinsurgency unit of the RIC, also recruited during the conflict and made up of former British officers.[8] At the time, "Black and Tans" was sometimes used for both groups.[3][9] Another force, the Ulster Special Constabulary (commonly called the "B-Specials"), was founded in 1920 to reinforce the RIC in Northern Ireland.

[-] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago

Which sure makes this pretty awkward

especially considering that it's pretty good for a macro.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

That's just a ruined half pint of Guinness, so, aptly named

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Do they sell it in Ireland? Does everyone go silent or is it funny awkward no matter where they sell it? Having just found out about this today, before this, I probably would have made a huge mistake and order it and joke around about why everyone is so uncomfortable.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

You can order a "half & half" but, probably will need to explain and get dirty looks for perceived crimes against Guinness (I think it's a great drink, the Irish tend to be a bit protective of their stout though, in my experience).

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

I have found that to be dependent on what you mix it with. I had it where they mixed it with shit beer, so of course it's going to taste like shit. This is in America though.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I've never seen any yungling here. there are some people who order "black and tan" at a bar (stout and ale mixed) and Ive seen a guy from west belfast get pretty pissed off that they said the term at

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I've never seen those for sale here for what it's worth.

I have heard of black and tan drink before which I believe is half Guinness half beer / ale but I've never had one or seen one ordered.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

They have to know though, right? Where else would they sell it that there wouldn't be Irish people there. I guess the mixing it half and half would piss them off from the get go anyway? "Might as well just go all the way, full asshole."

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Almost certainly. Maybe it tastes nice. Not something I'd be rushing to try mind you.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Everyone goes silent. It is at best a faux pas. Just. Don't. It's disrepectful.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's also specifically a reference to the song of the same name: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_Out,_Ye_Black_and_Tans

Fun fact: it only reached #29 in Ireland but got to #1 in Scotland as part of a long held rivalry between the two countries over which one hates the English more.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I think Ireland is winning cause they're 26/32 parts free from the British

[-] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago

I WAS BORN IN A DUBLIN STREET, WHERE THE LOYAL DRUMS DID BEAT

[-] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

THE LOVING ENGLISH FEET, THEY WALKED ALL OVER US

[-] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Nah republicans would be like "oh I'm Irish too." And blindly support anything anti-british "cuz 1776"

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

This but unironically. US Republicans wouldn't necessarily get along with nationalist Irishmen IRA types but they lean towards supporting them on the basis that they don't want to be ruled by the filthy English.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

I can't think about the black and tans without thinking about that hilarious episode of This Time with Alan Partridge. I heard that someone bet steve coogan he couldn't get the BBC to play irish rebel songs.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

When he is funny that man is absolutely hilarious. I haven't seen that one but I'm assuming he pulled it off?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago
[-] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Hahahaha. "Oh my god that was like an anthem for the IRA". Brilliant. Thanks.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Oh, Ah, Up the 'Ra

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

The political compass was a psyop to legitimize authoritarianism and pretend that leftist movements could be authoritarian.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

Tankies don’t need a compass to think they’re left.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

The point is to make others think they are left

[-] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

So explain all those leftist movements that ended up creating dictatorships like the Soviet Union and the PRC.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

But they weren’t even Scotsmen!

[-] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm sorry I have to be the one to tell you this, but calling a country communist doesn't make it a communist country, that would require implementing communist principles which are inherently at odds with a top down autocracy.

Leftist ideologies are not compatible with authoritarianism.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Why cant there exist a leftist authoritarian ideology?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Core leftist principles are directly at odds with authoritarianism.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

What would you consider core leftist principles?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Labor owning the means of production and the value of their labor, as well as every person actually being equal and having equal influence means the system inherently is collective rather than authoritative.

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