this post was submitted on 19 Mar 2025
304 points (100.0% liked)

politics

22104 readers
5566 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 61 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Too many armchair educators here. I literally teach a lecture on this as part of a class on students with disabilities. Key things about DoE:

  1. It's 4% of the budget and 2/3 of that is to subsidize higher education for middle and lower income families. For K-12, it's about 5% of the budget, as most funding is state (unfortunately usually by property tax, which generally fucks poor folk).

  2. To get that 5%, you need to play by DoE rules. That includes no discrimination, school must be free and accessible, and you need to follow IDEA, the law that gives students with disability access to an education. Without federal DoE, there is no standard requirement to accommodate kids with Autism, learning disabilities, and more. (Technically section 504 can still apply, but it's complicated. Private schools usually have that but not IDEA). Btw, about 100B + 20B for K-12 funds and disability, respectfully.

  3. DoE funds and conducts a ton of research that improves pedagogy, not just the standard NCLB achievement tracking but things like the ELS database that is one of the few sets with data from 10th grade all the way to age 30, to directly analyze effects of high school programs on long term success. My dissertation used that, and yes, those folks are probably super-illegal fired, USAID style. If you're wondering, it's 800M in grants and research, which is chump change.

Understand, this is as idiotic as gutting the IRS. Economics have found that return on investment is tremendous (8x to 60x depending on who you ask) because you reduce crime and expensive prison costs. Simply preventing a murder saves millions of dollars, and education is shown to do this (including the very same ELS data I mentioned!)

There's more that I can say, but if you have questions, I literally have a degree in education policy. Please ask!

[–] PeripheralGhost@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So increase DoE funding and decouple schools from property tax funding?

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

But then how would

  • the private sector profit from education,
  • and the churches ~~indoctrinate the young and massively inflate their numbers~~ do their very important charity of education?
[–] PeripheralGhost@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago
[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Two useful things, but there's no political incentive unfortunately. Education is usually the first thing to defund since you won't deal with ramifications until long after your term ends. Only senetors and judicial last long enough and neither are responsible for budget... you just rarely get anyone trying.

States do even things out on their end, but same issue with terms. California for instance has a budget deficit and are cutting education budgets (albeit mostly with higher ed, iirc). That means more reliance on local funds, which ironically fuck rural voters most, aka Republican districts (funny enough, this distribution of funds to rural schools is a big reason DoE survived Reagan with GOP support).

load more comments (9 replies)
[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

The problem is that smart people don't vote republican, and the republicans need more brown noses.

[–] tacofox@lemm.ee 78 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Absolutely no sarcasm here, I suggest everyone look into PragerU to know exactly what’s to come for publicly funded schooling. It is terrifying, deeply disturbing, and harmful.

Just hear it straight from the horses mouth and peruse their YouTube channel. (Don’t forget to check out PragerU Kids)

https://youtube.com/@prageru

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The most annoying part is being called an alarmist for years, just for it all to become true.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Tell me about it... I still feel like I'm being gaslit when talking about this shit in any offline space. It's wreaking havoc on my mental health.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Those guys are what got me to finally start using adblocker, when they were running their videos as every other youtube ad (unless they still do that)

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I mean, in honesty it might not be the best to use an adblocker for it. Honestly we need like the opposite... an ad mass player or something. does something like that exist (IE something to try and hit the ad budgets of the guys).

I heard of a forefox extension rceently calm AdNauseum that's sorta like that. Haven't tried it yet though

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I’m sure Google is already doing that to pad their budgets.

[–] PeripheralGhost@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While I'm not against homeschooling, it seems more like a privilege that I would say most families in the U.S. cannot have one parent drop out of the workforce to pursue.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm absolutely against homeschooling. The overwhelming majority of it is evangelical Christian garbage.

Soon we'll be subsidizing it with our taxes (with zero oversight of curriculum of course).

[–] Random123@fedia.io 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There has to be a too long dont watch version..

[–] Scurouno@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Big Joel has done a number of videos critiquing PragerU: PragerU PragerU Kids

He's got more videos critiquing specific PragerU content as well, all from a couple of years ago.

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Zoe Bee as well, she's a teacher who speaks largely in lecture video essay format. Here are the 4 videos I've seen of hers https://youtu.be/cLKMW1LII7c https://youtu.be/4NAiPYaogCw https://youtu.be/ZhWxDgJv7PI https://youtu.be/ZUz1nCRJJBg

All highly recommended, Joel too

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 68 points 2 days ago

Interesting. Really leaning into that "uneducated people are easier to control"

"The proles are our only hope"

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (5 children)

It feels like the whole reason for this is so that Christians can have their own schools not controlled by fed rules/laws. Self-segregation.

~This~ ~comment~ ~is~ ~licensed~ ~under~ ~CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0~

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's not that. They already can have their own schools. It's just they want to take our money to pay for them, and they want to push their values on to us.

If you've been reading the newspapers over the last year or two, you've seen various States try to pass various rules about the Bible or the Ten Commandments. They weren't doing that in private schools; private schools already could do that, right? So partly we have people who are trying to force Christianity on to others, but I think more importantly we have people who want money and power, and they will weaponize religion in order to get it, as people have always done throughout the course of human history. It's not like these people pushing to get Christian religious texts in schools actually care what's in the Bible. They will pretend otherwise, but don't believe their lies. It's 100% greed.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It’s not that. They already can have their own schools. It’s just they want to take our money to pay for them

But there's certain things they couldn't do in the past, if they wanted the fed money. Now that those policies and mandates are going away, they can do whatever they want, they can go hardcore, for lack of a better description.

If you’ve been reading the newspapers over the last year or two, you’ve seen various States try to pass various rules about the Bible or the Ten Commandments. They weren’t doing that in private schools; private schools already could do that, right?

IANAL, but no, for constitutional reasons, as well as getting money from the feds if they don't do it, versus sacrificing that money if they do do it.

~This~ ~comment~ ~is~ ~licensed~ ~under~ ~CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0~

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 11 points 2 days ago

No. They absolutely want to push the bullshit onto the rest of us.

[–] PeripheralGhost@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It does seem that way with the tax credit and school choice push. Is the DoE the answer or could it be handled better at the state or regional level?

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Is the DoE the answer or could it be handled better at the state or regional level?

My belief is that if we are to be a single nation, then it had to be handled at the federal level by the DoE, and not at the various states level.

At the states level its just an easy prelim/prep for a future civil war.

~This~ ~comment~ ~is~ ~licensed~ ~under~ ~CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0~

load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Suffa@lemmy.wtf 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And Americans will hand it over without firing a shot.

Very disappointed in Americans, Luigi is only respectable one.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I support what Luigi allegedly did 100%, but what change did that bring about and where did he end up? The POTUS is arguably the safest man in the world. Walking up to the Whitehouse to just end it isn't how that works.

It's going to require an organized effort and sacrifice for any chance of success. To add, 30+% of the population supports the current situation, so it's not just one bad apple. Lastly, the majority of Americans have not really been affected yet, so the urgency to sacrifice oneself for an almost 0% chance of success isn't really there.

I'd like to see judges start arresting people carrying out Trump's illegal orders. Might not be able to go after Trump, but not a single one of those other players have the legal protections he has. Make people scared to carry out his orders and maybe less people will be lining up to do so.

[–] Suffa@lemmy.wtf 3 points 2 days ago

The change was meant to be in you. You were meant to follow his lead.

So target another Republican who isn’t the safest man in the world. When they can’t get any middle managers to issue their orders for them because they’re all dead or scared you will have made a change.

Judges are not going to achieve anything. Don’t even bother wasting your time on that libshit.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Can he just do this with an EO? Can the country ignore the EO until Congress ratifies it?

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

No and yes. The country should be ignoring the President and congress should be defunding him. Starve the beast amiriiight!?

[–] PeripheralGhost@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I assume it'll be contested

[–] PeripheralGhost@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Interestingly, I was just trying to have a conversation about this at https://lemmy.world/post/27067695

Curious what people think is the right way to address education in the U.S.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I just want to make two points about the decline in education. One is Reagan, and the attachment of funding dollars for education to property taxes (Prop 13? California?), and the other the emphasis on standardized testing that came under Bush in Florida, and was nationalized under Bush the president.

I think these two Republican (led, Democrats later adopted them) policies were some of the most destructive to our education system.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

Absolutely. No Child Left Behind was an unmitigated disaster, and they just refused to let it go for way too long.

[–] PeripheralGhost@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Agreed on both. How would funding work then? Should it be handled at the state level, by U.S. regions like New England or the Mid-Atlantic, or should it stay at the federal level?

I wasn’t previously aware, but apparently, Canada leaves it up to their provinces to decide. Interesting that they perform so well when their system sounds similar to what those pushing for state control in the U.S. want.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (7 children)

🤷

I can tell you that the situation is pretty dire.

I think of the graduating at our local HS, Sr's in 2024, only 12% could do math at their grade level? Might have been worse. Might have been 5%.

load more comments (7 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] tacofox@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

Just replace all education with pragerU workbooks and videos obv.

https://youtu.be/4NAiPYaogCw

load more comments