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The Michigan Court of Appeals, in an 18-page opinion, declined to interfere with a 1931 law that carries a five-year prison term for simply having brass knuckles, also known as metallic knuckles.

A “ban on the possession of metallic knuckles falls within the historical tradition of prohibiting the concealed carry of metallic knuckles as a dangerous and unusual weapon,” Judge Christopher Murray wrote in a 3-0 opinion Tuesday.

Brass knuckles are usually a single set of rings that fits on someone’s hand. A punch can inflict serious injuries.

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[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 240 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

America is weird af. Ban brass knuckles but allow semi-automatic weapons that kill thousands every year.

Weird. As. Fuck.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 53 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

People will still sell them labeled as key-chains or paperweights.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

This guy capitals.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

They have been doing this for years. They add a little bump and sell it as a belt buckle, or add a little notch and sell it as a bottle opener. Most insane is it is fine to put a knife blade on it and sell it as a knife.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 weeks ago

I've got an antique real pair that belonged to my grandpa. They don't make em like this anymore.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You do realize america is almost entirely built on weapons manufacturing right?

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[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 12 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

This is an honest reply. It really depends on the situation. Feral hog sounders are a very scary thing, and fairly common in areas that commonly vote against their own economic interests. That bit in the Hannibal the cannibal movie, about the pigs, holds its share of truth. But in a city things that are necessary outside of one should be appropriately regulated.

That meme about European woodland being pleasant and the American woodland being a hellscape, is not very far from the truth.

[–] wieson@feddit.org 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I want to answer honestly as well. I looked up the numbers, and we have 2 million wild boars in Germany. Germany has roughly the size of Montana.

High estimates say, there are 9 Mio in the US, 3 Mio in Texas (twice as large as Germany). So the numbers are rooouuughly comparable, a little more swine here in DE.

I guess, the feral hogs are really back to being wild nowadays despite stemming from domesticated pigs. So I will classify them as scary as a wild boar. Which they are, they are scary.

How do we manage this? Each year about 600 000 boars are shot by professional hunters. The general population doesn't need weapons for that. And the hunting rifles are bolt action or single action, not automatics.

The main damage they cause is not to live and limb, but to property, namely crop fields. Our solution is, that each hunter is assigned a district and a number he must shoot. If the farmland in his area is damaged more than x% that is also his responsibility.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Why can't I fight the feral hogs with my brass knuckles?

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[–] Yokozuna@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Yep, they sell them as belt buckles. I got one at a gun show because it was cheap, figured why not. I eventually looked up the legality and I would be better off legally if I carried a pistol. Actually crazy lol.

[–] josefo@leminal.space 8 points 2 weeks ago

Obviously the answer to the paradox is to have semi-automatic brass knuckles invented.

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Reggie Kray on the other side of the sea about self defense:

[–] danhab99@programming.dev 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Afaik it's because there's absolutely no other applications for brass knuckles to work. You can only assault people with brass knuckles.

Fire-arms can be used for "defence" and "hunting".

Edit: inb4 I don't agree with laws around brass knuckles, or most laws about most weapons.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My dude, you never been hunting until you punch the lights out of a deer.

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[–] mira13@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

A brass knuckle can also be used for defence.

If you CAN use a firearm for defence, you're not properly storing your firearm...

You don't need large magazines or semi-automatic weapons for hunting...

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[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If someone attacks you first, and you slip on the brass knuckles before defending yourself, then surely that would be a defensive use?

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[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's bullshit and you know it

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[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 64 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The solution is clearly to start carrying brass knuckle guns.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 48 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Worst of all worlds, I'd rather just have a 5 inch fixed blade. Or a stick.

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[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 60 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Michigan also forbids pepper spray and stun guns. They interpret the right to bear arms as the right to make gun manufacturers rich. By the way, a pistol also fits in one hand and can be used to inflict serious injury. Pistols also get used to ambush people. Ever heard of armed robbery?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 39 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

They're going to be surprised if it gets to the Supreme Court:

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/577/411/

“the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding,”

Woman bought a stun gun to protect herself from an abusive ex. State of MA charged her saying that stun guns didn't exist back in the day, and were "dangerous and unusual" so the 2nd amendment doesn't apply.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Another weird af hypocrisy where MA didn't want stun guns to count but assult rifles were A-OK.

It truly is a wonder how America has lasted this long.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

America lasted this long simply from momentum and good courtesy after WW2. That's literally it.

[–] DaveyRocket@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

We had a run. Considering how much of our founding was based on and sustained by slavery, it might be good to call it.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Assault rifles have been illegal nation wide for decades

[–] nickiwest@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Assault rifles were only banned for 10 years, from 1994 to 2004.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Assault rifle != Assault weapon. An assault rifle is a fully automatic or burst fire weapon. They've been illegal since 1986 and remain so to this day. And assault weapon is a made up term, based on superficial accessories like bayonet mounts or a pistol grips. Clintons AWB was essentially a "scary looking gun ban". Guns that were functionally identical to banned guns were still readily available and perfectly legal.

Clinton conflated "assault weapon" and "assault rifle" intentionally to cause this sort of confusion and get credit for passing a bad bill that didn't really address the problem.

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[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 11 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

By the logic of Massachusetts, you only have a right to a muzzle loader and a sword then. What would they say if I were walking around in Boston with a katana or a British officer's sabre?

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Those existed at the time. You're also free to choose from axes, clubs and blades to giant semi-automatic crossbows. Sorry, sorry no giant crossbows, that tech was lost by then.

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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

“the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding,”

That's why I'm allowed to always carry a vial of the rage virus from 28 Days Later, in case I get mugged and need to end civilization.

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[–] pleasegoaway@lemm.ee 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The US looks stupider and stupider with each passing day.

Brass knuckles? No no.

Automatic weapons? A citizen’s right.

The world is laughing at you.

[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

Automatic weapons are regulated and cost more than a new car. Our firearms laws are lax and have many problems, but that isn't one of them.

[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 16 points 3 weeks ago

Sap gloves are easy to make and not obvious. A pair of gloves with powdered lead sewn into little pouches over the knuckles and along the knife edge of the hand. A slap or punch will quickly put someone on the floor. Lots of cops wear them. You can get them online.

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Of course bear arms don’t fit. They’re for fingers, and human ones at that though perhaps a cub could surprise a few.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, I don't know about you, but my trained attack bears have custom machined brass knuckles. only the best for my trained bears.

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[–] MTK@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

But we still have the right for BEAR arms right??

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Metallic only? So you could make one from alternative material, like composites?

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

composites tend to not react well to impacts. The reason brass is used, also, is because it's heavy and adds significantly more force.

I would suggest making a cestus, you can also buy "weighted gloves"... which a lot of cops just love, which are gloves with pockets over the knuckles weighted with lead.

The advantage to the cestus is you could say it was for historical reenactment, and you're just LARPing or something.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

No switch blades, no brass knuckles, oh well, guess they'll just have to shoot each other.

[–] Cattail@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

i never got that. arms shouldn't be limited to firearms, clearly the founding fathers fought with swords and bayonets so that would have been on their mind

[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Pretty sure fingers are part of the arms but ok.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

What the fuck is wrong with judges?

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