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US Vice President JD Vance has called on European states to show greater independence, urging them not to be US "vassals." He also said EU governments could have done more to oppose Washington over the Iraq War.

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

This seems like an attempt to undermine NATO. The only time article 5 has been used was after 9/11.

~~By saying Europe had a choice and should have resisted, he lays the foundation for the US to not follow through on their NATO commitments.~~

Edit: The commenter below is right, the article 5 was used for Afghanistan, not Iraq. My whole argument is thus invalid

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Article five wasn't used in Iraq, only Afghanistan.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not like that matters to the people this propaganda is targeting.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, we should have ended our ties to the US and our infrastructural dependency back then.

Back then was one of the few moments I was proud about a german politician, when Schröder said "No".

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago

Too bad he's saying "Да" a lot now.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

…what…?

Seriously: what the fuck? There was - at best - scant official support in Europe for the war, and public support was nearly nonexistent. The fuck is he on about.

Go home and fuck your loveseat, heterosectional.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

A few European countries sent troops, but more importantly there was not a peep from Europe about, you know, not creating another refugee crisis in their backyard. He said oppose, not not support. Europe could've done more to oppose the Iraq war.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They could have idk, introduced sanctions at least. They could have stopped military cooperation and threatened to form their own alliance. It was a deeply unjustified, dare i say criminal war that needed a more forceful response than Europe was able to come up with. I have no great love for the couch fucker but he's correct here

[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I remember when Republicans renamed french fries to freedom fries because France opposed the Iraq War

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So, is he seriously telling other countries not to just blindly go along with whatever the US tells them to do, but instead to resist and stand up for themselves?

And Trump is ok with this messaging? Hmmm.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s online with divisive rhetoric meant to drive US isolationism

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So now he is saying dont fall in line and please retaliate to our bs?

So he does have a humiliation kink?

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

respectfully i hope jd vance suffers permanent 24/7 diarrhea from all orifices

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

but think of the couches.

lets go with constipation. Permanent. constipation.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Still from all orifices though, right? That would finally shut him up

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, of course.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 weeks ago (18 children)

europe did and you clowns renamed french fries to freedom fries like idiots....

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 weeks ago

His brain is freedom fried.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, that time the USA kept lying about weapons of mass destruction found there and Washington not liking being called out by almost everyone.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

"I don't know why you keep going on about our current lies, you assholes should have kept called us out for our past lies. But only now, not back then when we were lying with those lies. What I mean is.... ok: see we lied in the past, but you definitely were jerks for not believing those then. Now; I know we renamed French fries to freedom fries in a frothing defense of our "good lies" back then, and I know back then we insisted it was the truth, but now they were bad lies and HAVE YOU EVEN THANKED ME YET FOR TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THIS!?"

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why didn't you stop me from hurting those people? This is all your fault!

Fucking eyelined moron

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Shady Vance is now being told to do revisionist history. I'm excited to hear what he's told to say next.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Easily the most underrated moment of the election was when the sofa-king Shady Vance said that the US has the "cleanest energy economy in the world." On stage! On television!

That's not even revisionist, it's just straight double think. Decades of holding the nation back in an outdated dirty energy economy, from Reagan ripping solar panels off the white house roof to Trump ripping EV chargers out of federal parking lots.

Decades of fighting any and all clean energy initiatives and they just... pretend it never happened. Gaslit the country into thinking that we already accomplished all of the progress that they personally prevented. The progress that we still desperately need to this day.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago

"Look what you made me do!" - Every domestic abuser ever

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

... the Iraq War that the US started? What the fuck is he talking about?

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago

The Russia tactics again, I see. Do terrible war crime, blame others for not stopping you.

What a bunch of clowns.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

What exactly could Europe have done to stop the Bush administration from invading Iraq on the completely unfounded pretense that Saddam Hussein had WMD's?

Bake a cake with 'Please don't!' Written on it?

But it's a useful reminder from the couch fucker. Should Trump call for aid when attempting to overthrow Canada/Greenland/Panama/Iran the Europeans better say 'No'. I bet that's totally not gonna let Republicans lose their shit and cry, bitch and moan like there's no tomorrow.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

What exactly could Europe have done to stop the Bush administration from invading Iraq on the completely unfounded pretense that Saddam Hussein had WMD's?

Threaten to stop buying US weapons? Dump US bonds? Impose sanctions? At the very least not send troops? Europe wasn't vassalized enough by America that they couldn't do anything but watch as America created the refugee crisis of the century in their backyard (which, I should say, is still blowing up in their faces).

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago

I remember the lead up. There was a lot of action against it. But the US was clamoring really fucking hard for the war since the neo-cons wanted to invade Iraq well before 9/11.

Fuck you, JD.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

JD Vance can go fuck himself!

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

Why the fuck is VP Bowman ranting about the war his ol' bush started? Is he trying to fuck the memory of what happened, like the couch no one wants to use in the oval office?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

So when the US starts a war with Canada and Denmark to avoid free elections in 2 years, Europe should step in and JD will make sure the US backs down?

OK.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

JD should have done more to self abort while he was still a fetus.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

Well, he's about 20 years too late for such criticism, and if he had been around to say that, his party would have called him a terrorist sympathizer. He probably would be put on a "no-fly list. "

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

Are they going to rename the freedom fries to vassal fries now?

The cognitive dissonance of this guy is unbelievable.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

“Krasnov pawn works harder to destabilize the west”

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

To be fair to the EU, republicans could have done more before it even arrived at the feet of the EU

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