Fuck this noise. The only classes that matter are the people who are rich enough to own Disneyland, and everyone else. Quibbling over whose shit sandwich is bigger is just dividibg ourselves for their benefit.
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Nah there are plenty of edible rich people who aren't rich enough to own Disney Land
The wealthy people who can’t afford to own Disneyland are closer to you than they are the people who can afford to own Disneyland.
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I consider it more of a spectrum, those who are rich enough to own Disneyland on the one hand and those who are fucked the most by the system that benefits the people who are rich enough to own Disneyland on the other. Not everyone is equally fucked by the system that benefits the people who are rich enough to own Disneyland. But you're right about the shit sandwich.
I understand what you're trying to do with the 'class is the only thing that matters', but I don't think that is going to fly well in the US, specifically and especially when trying to get groups with troubled histories between one another to work together.
Trying to unify people by ignoring or erasing their personal or communal identities and histories is not going to be effective at unification IMO.
You sound like a Russian propagandist. It's us against billionaires trying to eat our planet. It doesn't get more complex than that.
1 person does not get to decide how 99% of the resources are spent.
I can assure you i'm not a Russian propagandist. You can look through my post history if you don't believe me. I'd argue right now it's pretty clear that the comment I'm replying to is unapologetically the propaganda here. It's not even that I disagree with the sentiment. It's just a bad argument for winning over folks in the US, which is full of division, and diversity of culture and opinion.
Just, like, think for even a second about who you are trying to unite against billionaires. It includes black communities, and the police who have often terrorized and weakened those communities. It includes both those who are homeless and NIMBY communities who've constantly lobbied to deny those homeless any type of help. It includes immigrants, and blue collar workers who've constantly attacked immigrants.
Regardless of whether this violence was motivated by the oppression of the ruling class, these are still actively ongoing acts of violence between working class individuals and groups. That bad blood shouldn't be ignored. The tagline " the ruling class is our only enemy" rings hollow for those actively being attacked by other groups within the working class. The solution should not be to hand-wavingly say "let's all just get along and unite forces". It needs to be actively engaging with these groups, and winning people over by actually stopping the violence they experience locally.
BuT MUh ViolEnT RevOlUtiOn!!!
Well said. Some of the people who post here are just nuts. Or edgy teens. Keep fighting the good fight for actually having nuance and common sense.
We're not going to vote our way out of this. Violent revolution should not be the first step, however working within the system has done fuck all to stop the accumulation of wealth at the top. There is no war but class war means all of us that aren't billionaires are in this together.
Bad blood won't get solved by doing nothing either. People need a common goal. Fighting against billionaires is one billions of people can get behind regardless of other demographics. It doesn't solve the bad blood and it doesn't erase identities it simply reminds us we can be allies against the larger issue first.
It is a catch-22 to solve the bad blood you mention before going after the billionaires because the billionaires will continue causing more bad blood and more division in the meantime. As showcased by Trump, decades of building torn down in 3mo. Doesn't matter that he decreased taxes for the rich or openly manipulates the market for himself and other rich bastards he's convinced 1/3 of America that its all worth it to hurt sexual and/or racial minorities. By the time you fix one divide he's created another 5.
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Education levels in the US:
- Calls it Disney
- Calls it by the location of the park
- Calls it by the actual name of the specific park
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Goes to Disney World
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Goes to Disneyland
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Goes to Disneyland Paris.
The first two could be swapped, and isn't Disney World "better" in many regards? One reason Disney secretly bought all the land in Florida was to better do what he wanted to do in California but couldn't because of space and regulations.
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As a British guy who worked in the USA for a while, my colleagues couldn’t fathom that I had no interest in going to Disneyland. It was kinda weird the obsession some of them had with it.
Cult of Disney is eerily real. Maybe it's the US version of how some Brits obsess over the royalty.
Yeah, it's weird and cringy how into it some adults are. I think part of it is status, though. Everyone knows Disney is expensive, so taking your family is a way to show off your status to everyone with the pics you take for social media.
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I have friends that used to go to Disney 2-3 times a year. They did not live in Florida. They used to spend so much money to go multiple times a year.
They are now declaring bankruptcy.
Going to Disney is just keeping up with the Joneses.
It is not just Disney, vacations in general for a family are very expensive but a lot of people are doing them. Granted some of thwm prolly have the money but I bet most don't but they do it.
I don't understand why people obsess over vacations so much. Such a weird "consumer" behaviour
I mean, I guess that depends on what you're defining as a "vacation". If you're talking about some big grand trip where you spend a ton of money and show off to everyone when you get back, sure.
But that's not my experience with vacations, nor most people I know. A vacation is a break. It's a chance to change your daily routine, change your scenery, and just disconnect from the normal stresses of daily life for a bit. It doesn't need to be somewhere expensive or even far away. Hell, a weekend camping trip can cost virtually nothing and is a great vacation.
And for kids, vacations can be a great bonding and learning experience with parents and siblings. It takes them out of their comfort zone and forces them to experience and try things they might not have otherwise, simply because their environment has changed. Again, it doesn't need to be something grand or expensive. Just something different.
Vacations aren't just "consumer" behavior. They're pretty important in a lot of ways.
I don't understand why people obsess over vacations
Maybe in this case where the "vacation" is just going to Disney and buying Disney themed stuff, but do you really not get the idea of a vacation in general?
I feel like (based on my experiences and talking to other people) is vacations are more for new experiences, new food, new cultures, new people. Not just "consumer behaviors".
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Once dated a girl who's family who had season passes to Disney.
Neither I nor they even live in the USA.
There should be another Disney class. The “Lightning Pass/Stayed at a Disney Resort/going to multiple parks over several days” Class
The park fees alone are pretty expensive if you’d like to see more than just “Disneyland” and want to see EPCOT, Studios, etc. The try to ride the rides during any popular season you buy Lightning Passes for hundreds or even a thousand more per person, pay for parking over multiple days, stay at an expensive “resort” property…
Yeah. You can go “cheap” and stay off property, but it’s a whole different experience.
I don't think this works. I know DINKs and single people who work normal jobs (and a shitload of overtime) and go to Disney like six times a year because they're total Disney freaks. Like, adult Disney people who get Disney tattoos and shit. It's a whole vibe.
No kids and they choose to go to Disney? You could go to any number of foreign cities or beautiful beaches and they choose Disney? Wtf?
Why go to any number of foreign cities when you can visit everything in Epcot?
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Not accurate. Plenty of broke people go to Disney regularly. I know a couple of them.
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Disney, where you have to be told how to have fun, where to take pictures and pay too much for crap made in China.
The amazing thing to me is that Disney used to be cheap entertainment. 1955 admission was $1.10 with rides costing 10 to 35 cents. A teenager could take a date there for what they'd earn in an afternoon. Prices for movies, sporting events, and concerts were similar.
This is known as the cost disease. As manufacturing gets increasingly optimized, automated and cheap, the share of income that needs to be spent on everything else increases. For example, housing and services like live entertainment or healthcare.
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I'm a native Floridian who's never been to Disney. Other Floridians seem disgusted by my presence when it comes up
My Uncle and his family are like this, his kids are adults now and they still go to Disney every year.
We're Canadian. and he is a staunch opponent of the Canadian Healthcare system, He believes that because he can personally throw money at a Doctor, that everyone should be treated that way, first paid first served.
The really wealthy families aren’t going to a Disney park either. Their kids have had passports since before they could walk, and the family is going to an exclusive foreign resort for a trip that costs more for a week than most folks make in a year.
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I went to Disney once and I have to say I was not impressed. I mean once you went and saw it why would you go back?
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Fuck Disney, fuck dividing the non-super rich
I went from "goes to Disney Land annually" to "hasn't been to Disney Land for over 20 years."
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Long ago when the family lived in Florida near Orlando and prices were a lot cheaper, resident discounts made a whole summer's worth of visits worth it. We realized the hypocrisy when the kids started getting bored of certain rides because they had done them so much, meanwhile some people even then would save up money for a one time visit of a day or so.
But overall the kids did have fun. It was a unique thing to experience.
Went to Disney 3x. Once when my grandpa died, then my grandma, then my dad. Allllll paid for by life insurance payouts. Not sure where I fit in here.
We'll let you hang out in the middle group.
I went once in my early 20s. Drove all night with a friend and stayed with his grandparents. Figured I should see what it's like since my parents didn't have vacation money when I was a kid.
Magic Kingdom was pretty lame to a 23 year old stoner. Should have spent the gas money on drugs.
This implies we all want to go to disney as if it is the ultimate goal to work towards. I'd rather go to the ZOO.
I believe this only applies to the USA portion of America and not the other 29 countries
- Season pass holder
- Season pass and Lightning Lane pass holder
- Member of Club 33
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