I expected nothing more from Christians.
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For the pope I'd be concerned if he didn't support harboring sexual abuse.
In Catholic Church politics, he was the middle-of-the-road candidate.
On the one side, he protected priests who sexually abused children.
But on the other side, he was never caught diddling kids himself.
A true moderate.
I hate that this sounds a little sarcastic but it's absolutely true.
Well, this is what I would expect from any/every catholic pope, so…
He has all the qualifications!!
Right! That move got him on the short list of possible popes. If the church actually made any remediation towards their victims they would be broke. And since they can't make things right from their past actions they'll never stop doing those acts. Organized religion will always lead to corruption and abuse.
I've seen a lot of people call this guy 'progressive' so far and I do not even remotely see it. He's quoted as being anti-gay, anti-trans, thinks women being in church positions will cause more problems than they solve, put a pedophile up in a church and then is accused of refusing to investigate two other pedophiles. And he's progressive how, exactly? Because he told off Trump and JD Vance? The absolute bare minimum to not be a horrible person?
"progressive" is a relative term.
True. However the default implication is progressive from the thing that came just before it, not something that came 300 years before it. This dude is obviously more progressive than like Pope Pius the Third or something but it's outright regressive in comparison to Francis. Also, he's accused of protecting pedophiles on a number of occasions. I feel like that is kind of like a neutron bomb when it comes to any claim that they're progressive or a good person.
Eh, idk. Francis was caught multiple times in closed-door meetings using the f-slur. However relatively progressive you may present yourself to the world, I just don't think you become head of one of the largest, oldest religious organizations in the world by being truly progressive.
An institution like the catholic church doesn't change overnight. It couldn't or it would lose its legitimacy and therefore its followers. Many US catholics have already started to push back. Some things take time. Frankly the pope being at least "comfortable" with gays probably did more to help change some minds than any amount of protesting has.
That said - protecting pedos was and is horrific. it's not "progressive" one way or the other to condemn that.
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But Relative to what, he's not progressive relative to his predecessor.
Relative to the conservative wing of Catholicism. They make being anti-gay and anti-abortion look pedestrian in comparison.
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progressive for a pope. as a cardinal he did not actively rape kids, just passively tolerated that his peers were doing it. i'm sorry but the bar is in hell. the new pope sucks because the pope must suck to maintain the hegemonic order of the world's most powerful organized religion. if a potential pope was actually a good person as we conceptualize one, they wouldn't have ever involved themselves in the power squabble of the clergical hierarchy.
our estimation is this pope is pretty good in the context of being a pope. he is still, however, a pope. it's like how in america our options in november were "passively tolerates atrocity" or "enacts atrocity"
sigh
The new pope holds opinion that are counter to what the old pope did. The old pope was progressive because he pushed the church forward. The new pope is regressive because he's dragging it backward.
I'm not having this conversation anywhere else in this thread. Y'all can bend over backwards trying to justify that he is progressive but he aint. Full stop, simple, flat, you don't get to argue it. By simple definition of progressive and regressive, this pope is not PROgressive. He is REgressive. He is bringing the church BACKWARDS. His opinions are counter to what Francis pushed for in a lot of cases and, oh yeah, HE FUCKING PROTECTED PEDOPHILES.
And trying to split hairs that "Oh he was a cardinal then!" is objectively insane when it is pedophilia. I do not give a fuck whether or not you get given a silly hat or not, you're still someone who protected pedophiles. The last pope didn't have that direct accusation.
I'm all the way the fuck out from this entire posts thread.
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You should have seen the conservative candidate...
I'm guessing you've seen the Reddit threads about him? The commenters display the exact behavior you describe lol.
Somewhat related: It's funny, I came to Lemmy because of the Reddit API fiasco, but stayed because I prefer the culture here. Sometimes I'll visit Reddit (during major news stories, or for niche topics) and man, does it feel so off lol
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So... Business as usual, I suppose?
He's also threatening to excommunicate any priest who follows Washington's mandatory reporting law.
Which shows where their priorities are.
Not in the greater good.
Not even in the common good.
Their priorities are, as always, been in protecting, defending, and hiding pedophiles.. especially pedophile priests and other officials.
Doctors, Teachers, Therapists, Etc all have a moral and legal imperative to protect children from harm and abusers. Why is it the catholic church fights so hard to argue it doesnt?
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That's a feature, not a bug.
I thought it was called a job requirement.
Right? Find me a single priest who isn’t a kiddy diddler or who hasn’t protected one. I’ll wait.
I mean, you don’t make it to the top of the mafia without being a gangster
Same old same old.
I am surprised God is still hiring real humans? Why not just an AI pope? Does God not care about efficiency?
The last AI priest was baptising with Gatorade.
It has electrolytes!
It's what original sin craves.
Peruvian non practicing Catholic here; from what I can gather, both mainstream and alternative (meaning independent, not meaning alternative-facts) in Peru have been afire over this. Afaik the accusations seems to be a revenge hit-job done by a cult/faction (the sodalites/los sodalicios) that just recently were disbanded by pope Francis itself, with some even being excommunicated. This sect is/was rolling in money, so bad that they even have companies in the caiman islands; they ofc seem to have also corrupted judges, other non cult priests and politicians and that explains the failure of secular justice.
Thus answering the question "Is the Pope Catholic?"
In other words: he's fit for the job
Isn’t that what you do when you’re a member of a pedophile ring?
As is tradition.
Was there a cardinal who wouldn't do this?
The environment - so trusting of Trump, so distrustful of clergy - is so charged that one needs only say that priest did something and it takes on a life of its own.
I don't know this priest. I didn't know the last Pope.
But I bet a real investigation will show what happened more than rumours planted on Facebook while a despot needs a diversion and a villain.
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Mediaite is a blog. I'd be interested in some journalism from a more solid source tho.
The Sun is an actively terrible rag, and the Telegraph is right-wing. Anything named "the liberty beacon" is automatically under suspicion.
The Independent is a bit conservative but generally reliable, and I'm not familiar with the Sun Times.
Obviously the story has a factual basis, but I just want to see more reliable outlets reporting on it.
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He's just a priest, nothing really can come of him
Isn’t it a requirement of the job to pimp kids?
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