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... Columbia University administrators called in the New York Police Department (NYPD) on Wednesday evening to violently suppress and shut down a pro-Palestinian student occupation of the campus’ Butler Library. Approximately 78 protesters were arrested just over a year after the police-state crackdown at Columbia last April, when the NYPD swarmed the campus to arrest over 100 students and break up the “Gaza Solidarity Encampment.”

On Wednesday afternoon, a group of around 100 anti-genocide student protesters took over Butler’s main reading room and renamed it the “Basel Al-Araj Popular University,” after the Palestinian activist and writer killed by Israeli forces in 2017.

The students’ demands include Columbia’s financial divestment from Zionist organizations, an academic boycott of complicit institutions, cops and ICE off campus and amnesty for all university members unfairly targeted and disciplined for pro-Palestinian actions.

Columbia’s Public Safety officers immediately responded and violently barred protesters from leaving unless they showed identification, which created a prolonged standoff...

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[–] [email protected] 135 points 1 month ago (14 children)

If peaceful protest is going to be consistently met with violent police response; maybe they should stop being peaceful from the outset.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I wonder how long it will take for enough to realise their government is not compatible with protests. Peer pressure does not encourage authoritarians.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

The running platform was making empathetic people angry; small scale protests are a badge of honor and large scale protests are a mild annoyance to be dealt with however they deem fit.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It won’t happen at this rate. Last thing that was closest to that was the CHOP zone in Seattle a few years ago. And that still fell through. Most protest folks that participate won’t fight back since most are against baring arms and only want it to be via peace since they are too afraid to die for something. They will shift that fear on to their peers and react as well with “I don’t want to have people miss me” or “I don’t have the time to up and remove my life from what I’ve worked towards so far”

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Ah yes, the CHOP zone arguing for zero police, that turned into a violent, crime riddled zone where the protesters eventually all left because, against all they believed in, without police crime runs rampant and they don’t like having their possessions destroyed/stolen, or being assaulted/killed.

It was a wonderful example of how dumb most protesters are and how they don’t even understand the consequences of what they’re protesting for.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"FreedomAdvocate" the bootlicker. The definition of irony, if anyone needed it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Like how bills that goes away our rights tend to have names that sound like they expand them

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (4 children)

If security shows up to stop protestors from leaving, they aren't there to secure the peace, they are there to oppress.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Sure, but let's step back and analyze it a little more.

Protest itself does not achieve political change. Its usefulness is in direct action or in recruiting those present into further action, education, and organizations. Liberal protests are state-sanctioned parades. Real protests tend to have an actual action to take, demands to be met, people to impact, costs to incur on others.

The terminology of "peaceful protest" is already poisoned and should be questioned. The media and politicians - and those propagandized downstream, all conflate private property destruction and violence. If a protest breaks windows, suddenly it is no longer "peaceful" and can be rejected by the propagandized as invalid and not to be supported. The US is full of such good little piggies, happy to align with the ruling class picking their pocket and doing actual violence because they exist exclusively in a world of capitalist propaganda.

Under these auspices, all direct action that the capitalist system wants to crush is, will, and has been labelled terrorism. It's already done this for private property destruction by environmentalists, peace activists during all major wars (except WWII, where American Nazis were coddled and of course did not damage private property), labor organizers, anti-segregation organizers, socialists, communists, Mexicans, Chinese, Native Americans, etc. They happily do it again against anti-genocide protesters, particularly because they can play on the islamophobic use of the terrorism label at the same time. Like all fascistic logic, they must frame themselves as the true victims, so they also happily call every critic of Israel an antisemite.

All of this bombards the US population 24/7. Americans exist in a haze of accusations and terms they barely understand, trying to slot it into what could only charitably called an ideology - the naked reactionaries in red and the obfuscated reactionaries in blue.

All of this is to say that the greatest barrier in the US is education, and education begins with agitation, e.g. these protests in any form. Get as many people as possible to show up to the next thing, to organize the next thing, and spread knowledge.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Taking over a building is on the far end of "peaceful".

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (9 children)

The majority of protests involve taking over space temporarily; that alone doesn't make them not peaceful.

They weren't invading/forcing their way into spaces that they weren't already openly invited to be in, nor were they violent towards officials that were demanding they leave (self-defense aside).

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

You have literally said you are for the armement of Israel. Of course any protest against Israel is too violent for you.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The students’ demands include Columbia’s financial divestment from Zionist organizations, an academic boycott of complicit institutions, cops and ICE off campus and amnesty for all university members unfairly targeted and disciplined for pro-Palestinian actions.

Not a single one of which wouldn't be a given in a sane and civilized modern society.

Columbia’s Public Safety officers immediately responded and violently barred protesters from leaving unless they showed identification, which created a prolonged standoff...

Because of COURSE they did!

When it comes to Apartheid regimes (and indeed most big picture stuff), student protesters are always on the right side of history and the people who derive income directly dependent on the atrocities continuing always react with the subtlety and intelligence of trying to remove a splinter with a machete.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Are you serious? So, any group can just take over a University now, and demand things, even if they are deemed "sane and civilized" by people like you? Okay...

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Spoken like someone who has never attended university. Please don’t come back and say you did - that would be even worse, because it will mean you didn’t learn a fucking thing by being there.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Oh hey ZK686. Havent seen you since you were banned from news and all your comments deleted.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In terms of how a sane and civilized society would handle this, well for starters it wouldn't even get to this point - a sane and civilized society does not support genocide. However their argument is that a sane and civilized society would view the requests as reasonable regardless, they're not saying that such a society would give in to their demands because of the way they were protesting.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

That's what protesting is about...and a protected right you ignoramus shit stain on humanity.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

No, any group should be able to protest without arrest and expulsion. The school escalated it.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Columbia is speedrunning fastest university decline in the public eye

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

People will forget about it all 2 months after it ends. They have the memory of a potato. Americans still praise NYT after the WMD lies.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Americans thought NYT was a bastion of accuracy and non-bias until they accurately reported that Biden was having mental issues in office like Reagan.

Those fake WMDs are so 2003, so it's not important. Those graves are to be ignored.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I gotta say, Hong Kongers put up way more of a fight than Americans seem to be. Hong Kong Polytechnic University went through a full blown siege in 2019. Six years later, in the land of the free, student leaders get picked off and any protests that manage to get going are easily crushed by the police.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

fwiw, Hong Kong protestors were protesting about their own home, rather than these universities protesting in international solidarity against their university's investments and policies. I'd kinda expect the Hong Kong ones to be defended more viciously.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

More specifically, the Hong Kong protests were about the possiblity of HKers being sent to the mainland. Here and now we have multiple actual renditions of US residents to El Salvador and elsewhere (including one of the protesters!)...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

The Hong Kong dudes threw tear gas back. If American protesters do that they get shot and killed. Even sitting down peacefully with a flag gets American protesters painted as violent terrorists.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are people still applying to go to school there?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

zionists who want a chance to sue for discrimination. imagine their shock if their entire class shows up wearing Israeli flags etc. the disappointment.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" -JFK

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

shut down a pro-Palestinian student occupation of the campus’ Butler Library

I don't understand, though. Were they expecting not to be arrested? I thought that was the point of civil disobedience. What was the point of occupying the library if not to instigate a response from police or campus police?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

They probably were intending/expecting arrests. There are probably protesters who didn't go into the library because they specifically don't want a criminal record (especially if they're on a visa or some such).

And you can see in the comments here how angry the arrests are getting some people.

That's the goal of a lot of nonviolent protest. Get your allies loud about it and split some moderates away from the authorities that they hadn't really thought of as "the bad guys" before.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

If trump admin is smart enough, they will bus police from other states to go to New York, learn and practice, trump will soon have his Schutzstaffel

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

So they took over a building they don’t own, refused to leave, and had a list of demands?

Yeah, sounds like something the police should be called for.

Tbh it was hilarious to watch unfold.

Protesters: “We’re not leaving until we get our demands met!”

Admin: “come out or we’ll call the police”

Protesters: “Neverrrrrrrrr!!!! Free Palestine!!!!”

Police arrive

Protesters: “NOOO LET US OUT!!! LET US OUT!!!!!! WE’RE SORRY!!!! PLEASE DON’T HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE FOR OUR ACTIONS!!!!”

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

So they took over a building they don’t own, refused to leave, and had a list of demands?

Yeah, sounds like something the police should be called for.

Would you say the same thing about organized sit-ins in segregated buildings during the civil rights movement? Same set of facts, took over a building they didn't own, refused to leave, had a list of demands. If not, then clearly you believe that if the status quo is untenable and the demands reasonable then the action is justified.

This is peaceful civil disobedience in opposition to an ongoing genocide being broken up by the police state.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I'll bet Columbia's fall enrollment will be greatly decreased. If I was a student there, I'd definitely be going somewhere else in the fall.

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