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Right, this is why an intelligent leader might use tariffs to bring back manufacturing, in a very targeted way and matched with incentives to help build what is missing.
This is someone who heard that you could use a hammer in conjunction with nails to build a house so starts swinging mjolnir in every direction
Tariffs aren't designed to bring manufacturing back. It's designed to crush the US economy for Daddy Putin. It's designed to starve out the plebs. It's designed to bankrupt companies to be bought by the billionaire class for pennies on the dollar.
Leave Russia out of it. It's your own rigged election system and lack of real competition that led to this
I'm not American nor living in the USA.
You left out the most important reason: getting people to come kiss Trump's ass to ask for exemptions. Nothing is more important than getting Trump the sycophancy he has to settle for in lieu of respect.
that's what happens when you have zero fucking plan at all
You mean “cOnCePts Of a PlAn” don’t count?
You mean any knowledge at all about anything or thinking ahead , which this administration hasn't done at all, seeing as they and DOGE have just cut jobs everywhere and then these agencies have to hire people back because they're understaffed and shit is falling apart.
You don't say. That kind of seemed obvious from the very fucking start. Trump is absurdly incompetent or he is actively working to destroy the country. I honestly can't tell which it is.
Trump may be incompetent but the architects of project 2025 are, unfortunately, not. Trump is merely their most useful idiot.
Oh, they’re incompetent, too. They are just very effective at installing their incompetence into the government.
The Heritage Foundation is not new; their last big project was Ronald Reagan, and they were very successful in destroying the economy in the long run. That also started us down this path that got us to Trump to begin with.
Trump would never have happened if there wasn't mass amounts of economic hardship.
I think "evil" is a better word to describe them.
Trump may have never happened if the fucking dnc supported bernie in 2016..
Or if Florida didn't rig the 2000 election for Bush, or if the Supreme Court never ruled that money = speech and corporations = people, or if Nixon didn't snuff out the hippie movement with the War on Drugs, or if the FBI never killed MLK Jr. for him being a socialist, or if Ronald Reagan and Joe McCarthy were unsuccessful in their Red Scare movement in the 1950s, or if FDR didn't compromise with capitalists and went full socialist instead.
There are lots of things to point to.
I really think it’s just not a plan, but a bunch of individual wishlists. It’s not that evil is incompetent but it’s a bunch of people each pursuing their own agenda, each using the orange fool to get what they want. The part where we may get lucky is each is too egotistical to work together, and Trump is to weak a leader to make them all head in the same directions.
It’s not a bunch of incompetent fools, is a herd of evil cats
Sorry, I had to.
The math is such that I expect to see companies that make things in the us leave. Makes more sense to build in the UK and add the 10% tarriff for your thing made of chinese parts than absorb the XX% chinese tarriffs and have to raise the price even more in the us. If the product is sold abroad at all its a slam dunk to move out.
But you mean your company isn’t willing to make a years long investment in on-shore manufacturing capacity when the scales that make it advantageous to the company can change in any direction, at any point, for any made-up reason, by any amount? Don’t they love investing in America?
/s+++
It's not even that entirely
You can't build X here unless every component is also produced... here. The component factories can't be built here here until there's factories building the subcomponents for them, AND a buyer for them here.
A button up shirt needs cotton -> chemical treatment -> dyes -> fabric, base chemicals > plastic pellets -> buttons, AND the machines to do all of those processes. It's like 7 or 8 different factories just to produce a shirt with buttons on it. Imagine how many factories it is for anything more complex.
Then in comes your point of needing commitment when it's not even certain for more than a week, nobody is going to build out entire supply chains in that scenario.
Gamers Nexus just talked to some PC manufacturers about this.
"We assemble PCs, made in America from these parts"
(motherboard, CPU, graphics card, PSU, ...)
So what if, for example, the motherboard manufacturer moved to the US?
Well that's an assembly of a hundred or so other Chinese components. And the equipment needed to manufacture it would need to be imported.
Ok, but what if all those hundreds of factories were built in the US?
Well, they all use imported aluminium and steel and plastic, etc., and require their own imported machines to produce...
"Is any part of your PC entirely made in the US?"
"The shipping labels? And maybe some packaging"
That is a very good point that I hadn’t considered, thanks for your response.
To your point, that just makes it even more of a ridiculous proposition.
Another example would be Trump saying that US farmers now have unprecedented access to the UK market for sales but the US uses growth hormone which is banned in the UK and Europe. It's very unlikely they're going to designate a non growth hormone section of their farm just to ship beef overseas.
Which would only be financially sound if for some reason there is significant demand for American beef in the UK which.. Why would there be?
That's the point. Destroy America but keep idiots voting for it.
Well they want to almost destroy America, that way the rich can buy up everything for cheap and become even more pwoerful. They're literally trying to recreate the situation that caused the rise of oligarchs in Russia.
And the idiots vote for it because they've been brainwashed by propaganda to think they'll be part of the elite once it's over.
So first Trump prevents any ex-allies to the US from trading with them
Then Trump prevents factories from being opened in the US to produce goods locally
What kind of 6D backgammon is this?
The kind where shelves go empty soon. I remember walking round the grocery store during covid and everything being empty, felt like a dream. Now it's a nightmare.
This is what I’ve been saying, building factories is already an expensive and time consuming process, then you slap high prices on everything you need to make a factory work it’s going to be out of reach for basically anyone and the few who can afford it likely wouldn’t anyway because like this describes it’s not fiscally responsible but also the US is in decline why would you be putting an enormous investment into a wildly unstable system? If you want manufacturing in the US building factories needs to be reasonable price wise and you need consumers with the funds to do the consuming, neither of which can be delivered now
Never listen to the reason they claim to be doing something, look only to what they are doing. And that, quite clearly, day after day indicates that they are doing everything they can to destroy the USA, as quickly as possible. Once one has determined what they are doing, then ask who does this benefit.
The thing is, it doesn't really benefit anyone. If you're Russia, for instance, it would be better to destroy the entire democratic world than just the United States, and Trump could have done that if he'd just moved more slowly on some of his actions (for instance, if he'd remained quiet about Canada until after our election then we'd be in a very different situation now.) Trump's just an idiot, plain and simple, and the people he surrounds himself with are either idiots themselves or too cowardly to call the idiots out on their idiocy.
It's a mistake to think that either he or his handlers have some kind of master plan and that everything Trump does is the result of expert manoeuvring that just looks like stupidity. That promotes defeatism and gets people to surrender prematurely. As long as people stand up to Trump, he will lose.
The way I see, ~~Trump's~~ the Trump Administration's motives are:
(1) Plunder the government of anything of value.
(2) Cause a recession so rich can buy everything up on the market.
(3) Sabotage America geopolitically on behalf of foreign adversaries, most notably Russia.
(4) Cement power in their control and go after any rivals.
Edit: For clarification, I don't think it really matters what part of this is Trump himself versus the people he surrounds himself with and permits as the executive to do what they're doing in their own personal agendas that align with one or more of these 4 points.
Nah.
These are definitely someone's motives but not Trump's.
He's old and tired and petty. All he cares about is his ego, which he supports with power, revenge, and attention.
Trump doesn't have any kind of plan other than waking up every day and stroking his ego.
Just imagine the profits from artificial scarcity, end of times riots and price gouging the ever living shit out of every citizen you can.
you were warned months before, and even before the election. dont act surprised, you thought his only legislation was tax cuts, but it wasnt , he was pushing things further along the line for PUTIN.
The world has no appetite for his big beautiful luxury goods store.
USA used to be the managers and leaders of these factories, now he wants them to be the grunt workers and for some reason people are all for it.
You can't make long term plans for building factories, sourcing raw materials and hiring people if the Dynamite Monkey in Chief can blow it all up on a whim.
It was never possible even under normal circumstances