Missouri really hates democracy, this isn't even the first time they've gone to great lengths to overturn the will of the people.
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Pretty much every amendment gets gutted by bullshit here
Every goddamn time. We vote for amendments we want. And then the fucking fascist write up a political double speak bullshit amendment. To appeal to the Mass lead poisoning affected Brain Trust here. To repeal and stop the thing we just passed from Ever Getting passed again.
I'm beyond amazed that legalizing marijuana passed. And and the law is in effect now
Cannot believe that abortion didn't get the same treatment but what the fuck did I expect living in this state??
I voted at all my local elections man this ain't my fault. Doesn't need to be said but yeah I voted for the Dems
St Louisans voted to legalize weed before most states in country ever did. DC I think was the only city that legalized it first. Then the state government overturned what people voted for.
St Louis also voted for a minimum $15 wage way before $15 was the crap wage it is now. The state government then overturned that too.
The MO state government has been tyrannical ever since the state turned from purple to red. Imagine where St. Louisans would be today if we had gotten a $15/hr min wage 10 years ago…
I love my city, and MO at large is a beautiful state if you can ignore the political bullshit, but I cant and its among the plethora of reasons why I live in CO now instead. It may be far from perfect too, but at least they recognize home rule as being more important than state government tyranny
It does appear that democracy was subverted here, but how can it be said that the will of the people was overturned given that most people voted for the republicans?
The people legally voted for this abortion measure directly. Reps are for all the other governing that isn't big enough to make it to a popular vote.
Bro come on now......
There was a measure on the ballot specifically enshrining abortion as a right.
To go against that now is completely ridiculous...... The will of the people was to make abortion available in Missouri. Geez
That's why I asked. I didn't know that.
Ok. I believe you if you say so.
Many times people say ignorance to push right-wing talking points.
I see, but I am not right wing. I asked about an apparent contradiction I saw, and got a clear answer.
I've noticed that when I ask questions I tend to get downvotes, but when I make statements I tend to get upvotes. Is there an assumption not only that right wing people are ignorant, but that ignorant people are right wing? I don't know how to become less ignorant without asking.
"Just asking questions" is a dishonest tactic the right has been using for a long time now. You asked "how did they subvert the will of the people if they won the vote?"
That question contains multiple assertions. For one, it's repeating the mandate of the people narrative - the actions of an elected official are not the same as the will of the people. Democracy is a political system meant to serve the will of the people, it's not itself the will of the people.
It also assumes that no subversion took place... And you can't know what you don't know, but it's giving "change my mind"
That sets the starting line for arguing the will of the people wasn't subverted by disputing facts, moving goalposts, or some whataboutisms. It frames the conversation in a way that sneaks things in as default assumptions
If you don't want to be mistaken for doing this, you can word your questions more neutrally/open ended, or be more explicit in requesting information. Adding "am I missing something?" To something that isn't adding up makes it come across far more neutral and good faith. It's also just less confrontational, which is good if you don't have the full picture yet
I guess it's just down to wording then. I can work on being less confrontational -- I didn't realize I was being confrontational, so I guess that's part of the problem.
Fundamentally, I reject the idea that "just asking questions" is a bad thing -- if there is harm done by people who are just asking questions, there must be something else, like the way they are asking the question, that is troublesome.
Well, "just asking questions" is different from asking questions - the one in quotes isn't actually a question, it's a dishonest way to slip in a point and (at a vibes level) "win" a debate with no desire to learn or seek truth
The term comes from Tucker Carlson I think, he'd make baseless accusations against people but phrase them as questions
And unfortunately, things are just that fucking crazy these days. Most political discourse (in general, it's somewhat better here) is done in bad faith at this point, I think your question would have been interpreted differently not that long ago
People are scared and angry. It helps to proactively signal you genuinely want to engage... At least somewhat
I get the difference -- but the trouble is, if I'm asking an earnest question, and somebody tells me I'm "just asking questions," it's rather difficult to argue against that.
Just as a reminder:
Right before the ballot was to be printed, Justice Limbaugh (Nephew to THAT Limbaugh) ruled that the petition circulators did not tell people signing the abortion rights petition that enacting the law would lead to children being able to get sex changes without parental consent; ergo the amendment should be thrown out due to deception.
The petition leaders then went to the Missouri state supreme court arguing that they didn't mislead people by omitting information about sex changes as the amendment was ONLY about abortion right. The state supreme court agreed, the ballot got printed, the amendment passed and then the state republicans refused to implement it because: "we don't want our children getting sex changes without our consent."
"we don't want our children getting sex changes without our consent."
Those people are awfully concerned with what minors got in their pants.
Should be pitchfork time when the People approve an amendment and their elected officials try to overturn their will.
Yeah, that's what I think every time I hear of a state's population voting in a new amendment and the legislature immediately hatching scheme after scheme to overturn it. Absolutely wild stuff, and it happens way more often than I'm comfortable with.
So much for politicians working for their constituents. 🙄
They work for the party and moneyed interests
String them up. No seriously, string them up. The only good fascist is one that has been deleted.
When are people going to get tired of bullshit like this? If I lived there, I'd be in the senate chamber fist fighting these dickwads.
You'd be dead. Cops shoot first and ask questions later here. We're hostages to our government
We're only hostages as individuals. If we decided we'd all had enough there isnt a thing they could do about it. There's over 330 million of us here. We outnumber these idiots 100,000 to 1.
We're only hostages to our government if we don't shoot back. There's infinitely more of us than there are them.
Fucking pussy.
This state is fucking bullshit and I’m glad I got a vasectomy
Missouri matters less than most states regarding abortion law. Neither Kansas nor Illinois is getting rid of abortion. East St. Louis covers the St. Louis area and Johnson County, KS covers the Kansas City area. You aren't going to see abortions elsewhere in the state anyway because the economics don't support it in smaller communities.
when you have state named like MISERY, you cant expect much.
Luckily when it goes to a vote it pretty much always wins.... almost...
If you look at how the Missouri GOP works they will sandbag any campaign to vote against the repeal, run ads saying a yes vote is a vote for women's rights actually and muddy the waters so much that voters don't know what to do and either vote inadvertently for the wrong thing or stay home because they aren't sure and then the evangelicals will bus people directly from church to the polls and the repeal will squeak by.
That has always been their modus operandi. Every single time. They run a campaign claiming to do the opposite of what it will do. The abortion ban was about protecting women. Etc