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[–] [email protected] 163 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I cannot comprehend people who agree to have a spy in their own home and they even pay for the privilege.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Its easy, people simply dont even think that it could be used to spy on them. Its just handy and funny tool. There is HUGE problem in the world with majority still naively trusting corporations to such extent saying anything to contrary seems like you are some conspiracy nut. Or if they don't trust them naively, they are so apathetic that they just think their information leaking doesnt matter, it can't be stopped anyway and that they just dont care about it.

Something really should be done to start having people care about things again, otherwise everyone will lose all rights to privacy eventually.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Your phone is doing it too. TV too, if you have one. Don't forget about your doorbell!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

Not unless they're overriding the controls for that (Which - yeah that's possible) and TV? hell no. Doorbell? Nah man it just goes ding.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Mine don't.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I have HomePods to activate my lights, and listen to the news in the shower. Sure, it doesn’t do all the fancy shit that Alexa does, but at least Apple has a track record of respecting privacy.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (6 children)

but at least Apple has a track record of respecting privacy.

...to keep the same amount of data for themselve.

Don't kid yourself. Apple collects the same amount as everyone else does. And if either get hacked, it doesnt matter if they keep it or sell it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

They do, so far. I test these machines for privacy claims as a hobby and have been a bit surprised to find Apple stuff mostly delivering on those claims. I’m used to seeing a lot of dark patterns in testing and it’s made me expect the worst, but so far they’ve followed through on (in particular) their end-to-end encryption and on-device processing guarantees. Security audit failures so far have appeared to be engineering oversights, and the ones I reported have been patched already.

The majority of user data they collect appears to be optional analytics and diagnostics that are properly encrypted and anonymized using the same pooling strategy used for their built-in VPN service. They recently started doing processing off-device for some new features related to the Apple intelligence thing (I haven’t gotten around to testing most of that) but otherwise anything siri-related is indeed processed locally. You can toggle a setting to allow anonymized siri recordings to be sent to Apple for quality control but they ask you permission each time you reset a device and re-confirm when you install updates, which IMO is adequate.

Edit: Yes this is the opposite of what the other guy said. He is, to put it delicately, talking out his ass. There are good reasons to hate Apple, such as the fact that it’s a massive soulless corporation raping the planet to make luxury electronics for affluent consumers, but for most of the rabid apple conspiracy theorists I find online the reasons seem to be far more selfish and petty than that.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (6 children)

"Pizza Over Privacy", a Stanford study... https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/pizza-over-privacy-paradox-digital-age Basically, people trade their privacy for convenience and don't consider the long term cost.

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[–] [email protected] 133 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

In 2023, 60% of UK households had a smart speaker, up from 22% before the pandemic.

Jesus Christ. I had no idea so many people were buying these things. That's astounding.

If you'd asked me to guess what percentage of households had one, I'd have guessed single digits.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I got several free from both google and amazon. My electric company gave me one too.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because we are the product...

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

remember when Texas power turned off peoples heaters when they were freezing to death as Rafael Edward Cruz went on a tropical vacation?

yeah, they did that because those people registered their smart thermostats with the company and gave them control to set the temperatures in their own damn homes.

"smart" means, "you don't own it".

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That depends on the kind of "smart".

I have a bunch of IKEA "smart" light bulbs, but they are connected through a Sonoff USB Zigbee dongle. And all of it is controlled through the open-source zigbee2mqtt and home-assistant.

No one, but myself and my family, have any control or ownership of any of those devices.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

*until the ZigBee alliance is purchased by a large corporation.

wait that happened when it merged into the Connectivity Standards Alliance in 2011.

my point is that merging home utilities with any technology is like drinking bleach. a small amount won't kill you, but a large enough dose over time will.

being in the tech sector myself along with watching what the tech oligarchs are doing should warrant at least some caution.

IMO anything that is associated with corporate interests cannot be fully trusted. I understand that IOT cannot exist without corporate buy-in, but at the same time I think it should be acknowledged that anything that cannot exist without corporate interference is damaging to consumers.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

My parents' ISP router has Alexa integrated into it

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

whatthefuck

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

60% of people in UK are certified morons. Slightly higher than I expected.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What is the absofuckingworstly scariest thing about this is that I've personally read quite a few sci-fi books, like in half of them, like in any universe, such things were usually a Trojan horse by the threat of the week to exterminate the good guys, or at least Palpatine's way of spying, or whatever.

OK, Palpatine's coolest microphone was decorative trees with skin changing colors depending on vibrations, and a very complex system of restoring the sounds from image, if I remember that correctly, in one X-Wing book.

So how the hell does it happen that such things are presented in movies and books and series like a threat, and yet people buy them?

I can believe in people loving touchscreens because touchscreens were unfortunately popularized in Star Trek and even, sigh, Star Wars prequels, and everything sci-fi.

But this is something that was being recommended against in such media for decades.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

A Torment Nexus sounds cool

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I have three unopened google pucks that I received as gifts over the years.

I had four, but I opened one to take apart to help identify if it was possible to hack it.

at the time it was not. the only part that can be reused it the plastic shell.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The most concerning part about this article is that they put one in their nine-year-old's bedroom.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Based on the article, it lets her ask them things that she doesn't want to ask her parents, though I'm not sure that if I were 9 years old that I'd suddenly want to discover that my parents have a list of everything I've asked it and are reading through it, much less that Amazon has a database.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, that is a terrible violation of trust. A parent should stop listening when they find out that they have a copy of such conversations of their child. They shouldn't write a newspaper article with citations about it

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Yeah, that's a terrible idea.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Why?

Edit: No one answers the question yet downvotes me for asking a simple question that wasn’t clearly answered in the article. That article really didn’t say anything outside of Amazon documents every prompt ever.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Because they have no idea why not to. Despite having written the article explaining that clearly.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (16 children)

Must have missed the part where the article explained anything clearly other than Amazon documents all your prompts.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To add to the other responses, and I suspect the real reason, is that Coco is listening to Audible Audio books regularly and/or music. It's mentioned and then dropped by the article fairly quickly.

Interesting how every comment on the article is doing the "you're a terrible parent, how could you do that" routine when I'll bet it's there because Coco either took the first one in or asked for a second one. Kid wants, kid normally gets one way or another.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They work great as an intercom, if you have them in every. Room

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah, an intercom between you, your kids, and Amazon.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Its kinda depressing that the takeaway they seem have here is "we don't always have enough time for our family, but luckily Alexa can pick up the slack 😌"

Instead of "society pushes us to spend less time making meaningful connections and more time relying on services that cost you money or privacy"

Somebody's toddler is going to eat rocks after AI tells them it's safe, especially if you're giving your kids unfettered access to the internet, which is what Alexa is. You're just hoping Jeffy moderates good, when you and I both know rules and restrictions for an LLM are very hard to enforce.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I was thinking about their horrifying conclusion as well, and your comment made me pine for the days when you wouldn't know something. Think about it, back before the internet, if you had a random question, you either had to interact with some trusted person, or you went to the library and looked it up. It's like the ever-present access to all information has quelled or killed any notion of curiosity or boredom, and it's within those frames of mind that learning and inspiration come. I remember as a kid when I wouldn't know the answer to something, I'd think on it for days, weeks. I'd get stuck on a video game level, and hit my head against the wall for hours trying to overcome it, only to pick up a random gamer magazine off the rack at the mall, and read the solution. Treating that magazine like it was the lost treasure map of some ancient expedition, passing it around my group of friends... Interactions and experiences that are gone forever.

The idea that we've gradually went from relying on trusted professionals, learned educators, and scientific rigor, replacing them with a corporations data-harvesting LLM, on-line influencers, and click-bait "journals" cosplaying as academic centers with integrity. This article is basically celebrating the fact that we've off-shored all of our thinking, curiosity, and inquisitiveness to machines, all the while we struggle for scraps in a corporation dominated life devoid of genuine human interaction. We're all to busy sipping dopamine hits from a screen instead of actually living our lives.

I grew up while the internet was being slowly rolled out, and being from the last generation to remember what it was like before the internet, I can say that the things I miss most are privacy, the ability to be bored, and not knowing.

It's worse now, and it's harder everyday to imagine that life on this planet will improve.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

So it's exactly the same as before the Echo, then. Welcome to the human condition.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

I asked my google home the same question and it told me that I told it that my dog is a good girl 3 times. I know it's not great for privacy, but it made me chuckle.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I asked that to chatgpt once and it's answer was something like "You like to translate R code to Python" just because I sometimes ask it's to translate R to Python, but I don't personally like it

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children)

It's completely irrelevant to the article, but I can't believe nobody mentioned how many fucking headphones this person goes through lol

particulars of every purchase I’ve ever made – from the noir novel I bought on the day that Amazon UK launched to the 28th pair of headphones acquired in as many years

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I feel like I looked into a bag labeled 'everything Alexa has ever heard' and gone, "I don't know what I expected."

On the other side of the coin, the shock shouldn't be what it knows, but what every single other device you own with a micrphone might also know.

Anyone here that isn't as equally distrusting of a stock, off the shelf cellphone is lying to themselves.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

you can go into the app and literally see your request history

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I honestly thought this was [email protected] for a second

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