Political Memes

What about people with low self control?? What if a hot as fuck gay guy proposes? I won't be able to say no and the law won't protect me!

I think the bit most people miss here is that most of these weirdly obsessed homophobic types dont think its "just a matter between two concenting adults". Most of them, either on a consious or subconsious level believe gay marriage etc is somehow causing harm to society as a whole. It doesnt just disgust them, it quite literally terrifies them.

In the case of religeous folks, that terror can extend as far as divine retribution (i.e. floods, hurricanes, natural disasters). In non-religious folks, the terror is probably more akin to stuff like "the breakdown of law and order" or some nebulous threat of societal upheival creating chaos. But in a sense, both are effectively the same because it wont ever work to tell them to "just ignore it".

When was the last time that calmly explaining to a religious zealot that their god doesnt exist actually succeeded in convincing them?

I dont know the actual solution to this problem. At least for the religeous folks, it will have to involve religeous figures demonstrating acceptance and disavowing sects that refuse along with a lot of actual progress and exposure to get people to empathise and humanise lgbtq+ people and realise that theyre not a threat. Its possible, its actually quite easy once the balls rolling, but its a difficult thing to do to start i think.

And this is obviously not to excuse or diminish the actions of homophobes and anti-progressives. But its important to actually understand the root of the problem if its going to be possible to change them for the better in the future.

Yes, but the problem is gay media will turn our children gay and the secret magic formula from SATAN is so clever that it only works in one direction and watching straight media doesn't turn gay kids straight! Look, it makes sense when you don't think about it!

Look this won't work because the people who oppose gay marriage are the same people who do not understand the concept of consent.

Depends. Are they pretty?

Lemmy is so gay and I'm here for it. ✌️

You could have told me that some years ago, now I'm married to four different dudes.

Wait, I'm allowed to say no? I didn't need to marry him? That's not what my bro said when he proposed! I should divorce him, but well... Too late now to turn back. 💀

This is funny and I agree with the message, but the logic doesn't work. If you apply it to anything other than gay marriage, it's clear why: homophobes oppose gay marriage on (allegedly) moral grounds; telling someone to simply not engage in (what they see as) immoral behaviour rather than opposing those who perform said behaviour falls apart if you substitute anything generally regarded as immoral, such as stealing or murder. "If you don't like it, don't do it," is fun to say to fellow allies, but a genuine homophobe can just reply, "well if you don't like assault, don't assault someone" as they attack you. I think a better argument would note the fact that any marriage only concerns those getting married, and doesn't harm anyone. "If you oppose gay marriage, mind your own damn business".

But what if they propose to me in public in front of all our friends and family after we've been living together as a couple for the past five years? Do you not understand the amount of pressure that puts me under?

I'm actually opposed to all state recognized marriages in the Unites States. I believe it violates the separation of church and state clause of the 1st Amendment. This is the same reason that people who (genuinely) oppose gay marriage oppose it.

If adult couples want to enter a legal contract joining their assets and income, then that should be available to everyone regardless of gender or sexual orientation, but that should also be separate from the religious covenant of marriage and associated ceremonies performed in a church.

So I'm opposed to state recognized gay marriage, but I'm also opposed to state recognized heterosexual marriages for the same reason.

If only it was that easy for their weak minds.

I can attest to this. I'm a cis man and not ever has another man ever proposed to me in a gay way. I'm what you would call "ugly looking". I might find it flattering if someone did propose. But my wife would not be amused. I do understand that other men might be offended by someone telling them how strong their friendship is and that they want to be with you always. But that's just some men (the dangerous one probably)

I would be compelled to say yes. Not because I'm gay but because I respect their bravery putting themselves out there by asking the question.

They are too afraid they won't say no. Within every crazed bible thumping conservative is a closeted gay that will eventually get caught having sex with a guy in an airport bathroom.

But legalized gay marriage = mandatory gay marriage! /s

Great. Go post it on twitter. I can't think of a more pointless place to post this than lemmy

But what if an extremely pretty women proposes to me :3

(Ik an extremely horrifying scenario)

Can they, though?