This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
All posts should follow this basic structure:
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
YTPB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.
Some acronyms you might see.
Relevant comms
YDI. I'm sick and tired of you damn .world shitlibs thinking you own the fediverse and everyone has to follow your rules. And when some corner of it doesn't, you come unhinged and resort to bigotry and harassment.
You lot are literally some of the absolute worst examples of humanity on Lemmy.
I wonder if the users who champion AI crap ask ChatGPT how to respond to critics?
after reading this saw that i was banned too. i don't mind (never noticed), but was interested to look up the details
that mushroom comm has 11 posts and two comments. since there's only 11 posts it's not too onerous to check the votes on lemvotes.org
links + counts
down/up, posts in order of when i looked just now
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45950804
2/3
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45784195
4/2
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45774194
7/7
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43543105
6/9
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43536774
7/9
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43509663
7/9
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42804147
10/8
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42750959
10/10
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42746816
11/7
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42545052
10/8
https://lemvotes.org/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42534950
11/10
total is 85 down / 82 up (167 total votes including default upvote)
that's 180 total interactions.
the modlog:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog/1406343
shows approx 20 bans per page for 20 pages
there's over double the amount of bans than there are total interactions in the whole comm
ptb easy
I never check...I just ramble until it eventually breaks. To some degree I am just trying to see if freedom of speech exsist on Lemmy. I am on a mission. Also curious how the whole banning thing is gonna pan out. It is like you paint yourself into a corner that is a circle jerk. Such is life. Online life is really just projection so I lean in.
Hmm...this repost is really making me regret softening my stance in the original thread yesterday.
YDI. [email protected] is cringe. Let people enjoy things
mm yes under 1 day old account
we all gotta start somewhere
still suspicious
you're from an instance with an admin who panders to transphobes. that's way more suspicious.
Blahaj panders to transphobes‽
I'm afraid your thought process is a bit unclear with this one. What're you referring to???
I immediately block any community built on slop. I would be elated if they did the work for me.
If only people would follow your example instead of bullying and harassing our mods.
Upvotes and downvotes aren't a "I like/dislike this" button, they're meant to highlight comments that are contributing positively and constructively to the discussion, showcase insightful comments, or to filter out irrelevant content.
YDI for misusing the buttons.
The entitlement is running strong in those anti-GenAI evangelists, thinking they can just wander into someones home turf and behave like shit, and then complain if there are consequences. YDI
To be fair, the typical defenses of that technology are the most maddeningly empty headed shit I've ever read, including conversations with real life fascists and work with people deep into senility.
Listening to enough of them has genuinely given me a substantial vein of anti human 'most of this is just unrefrigerated meat, there is no spark of intellect, no consviousness, no beauty to be found here' type thought.
I wouldn't go into '/stable diffusion fruit' to throw a fit about it, but my first instinct when someone says that tech is good is just straight up assuming, whether its on silicon or meat; the thing im talking to is not a person in any way that matters to me.
Im occasionally wrong, and have to adjust course, but it has become an unsettling oft confirmed default which i very much resent.
I just really want to emphasize here:
this technology is often defended with a stupidity so profound and so stubborn that it has broken the last shreds of my love for humanity, a love for humanity that survived being thrown away onto the street like trash as a child, no small amount of rape abuse life unhoused and tending to those who had suffered so much worse than I. In its place that stupidity has awakened a creeping suspicion that there never was such a thing as 'humanity', and I'm utterly alone in a howling void.
I might be able to give you another perspective.
This technology is the first time that humankind has ever been able to create an interactive snapshot of human culture. Everything thats been written, scanned, drawn has made their mark on those models, and it gives you glimpses in what else there might be in the human cultural space. It's not intelligence, but it's distilled human culture.
I am very critical about the fact that this technology is mainly in the hands of corporations that want to use it as a cost cutting tool. I am also not a fan that GenAI is pushed into everything just to get sweet investor money. I am far less alarmed about the productivity increases themselves, or about copyrights which are normally only wielded as a weapon by the rich.
The power consumption argument doesn't even apply here - the generation of those images does not cost more energy than playing a computer game for 2 minutes, is often done on consumer grade hardware (like the one running here now while i type this), and the training of the models is not necessarily very power hungry if done smart (deepseek used a fraction of the power that GPT4o needed). Also, with the massive expansion of solar power generation (we're at the point where the price starts becoming negative at peak solar output) the power itself starts becoming a non-factor.
Copyrights themselves are a clusterfuck, which is an statement that many artists would agree with. I personally wish for the following (copied from the vote-thread regarding the rule we're discussing):
I would make a case for creation of datasets by a international institution like the UNESCO. The used data would be representative for world culture, and creation of the datasets would have to be sponsored by whoever wants to create models out of it, so that licencing fees can be paid to creators. If you wanted to make your mark on global culture, you would have an incentive to offer training data to UNESCO.
I hope i could give you a bit hope in humanity back - there are still idealistic people out there.
Again, its not even the technology, its the typical advocate of it. Its the fuckers who defend it as everything it's not, against all evidence.
I'm aware it can be a neat little toy. It even has niche uses in a lab. Not worth the perfect sociological attack vector it seems to be. Trying to convince that it's not your friend, doesn't love you, and isn't making art, and the kind of pushback i get from that, is the real black pill here.
Maybe don't assume all people who support or are interested in a certain thing are the exact same people would be a nice start.
I often wonder about antiAI opinions such as "it isn't making art" what differentiates art to you? When it genuinely does create things that are not already in existence, how do you square that circle?
When people say LLMs are just fancy autocomplete, and I ask it to check an entire nodered flow for logic issues and it points out valid and interesting things I overlooked when designing it, how exactly do you determine that's autocomplete? Because I've used autocomplete or intellisense or whatever and this is leaps and bounds beyond those capabilities.
Eh I think this post is just attempting to keep the drama going now that the original died down.
Stick to judgement about the bans, don't start rehashing and slap fights about genai here.
I banned you and I banned that dipshit who posted on Fuck_AI and I have no regrets. You are awful people and your behavior is harmful to this community. YDM. If lemmy.dbzer0.com wasn't as lenient as it is you'd have instance bans from here as well.
Gotta love how now db0 is under the ire of .world because have our own rules and way of doing things.
Also that one weird alt account claiming to be you and oddly talking about pigs is fucking weird.
Seems fair enough to me. Why would a mod of a genAI community want people with a history of being anti-genAI in their community causing problems? And why would you even want to go visit that community in the first place, unless you wanted to cause problems. Imo this is a win-win situation. YDI.
Broke the rules, got punished for it. YDI.
YDI
