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[–] [email protected] 203 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

USA could have spent money developing an electrified economy but the republicans are focusing on bringing back coal mining and reshoring shoe manufacturing instead.

This admin has set the USA back 100 years.

ETA - what I mean is that China is rampaging on in electrification, developing manufacturing skills, infrastructure, and design/engineering/technology around renewables and electrification. Europe is thinking about it but not going crazy to the extent China is, because legacy - China doesn’t have 100 years of cars and 150 years of trains; they’re building new. USA meanwhile is actively regressing under Republican policies.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Which kind of blows my mind. Coal miners should love EVs. There was a story in the news a few years ago about how nice it was for the miners to help someone in an EV, as if they should be mortal enemies.

Non-EV cars don't run on coal, they run on gasoline. EVs on the other hand can run on coal, natural gas, solar, wind, you name it - and still are more energy efficient than cars burning gasoline. In a sane world, coal miners would be throwing their support behind electric vehicles. The utility companies seem to understand this, but seems like the support hasn't made its way up the supply chain.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago

Especially when you see some of the tech being rocked in Asian cities

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This admin has set the USA back 100 years.

Again. They already enshrined "billionaires get all the money" in the one legislative victory of trumps first term.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

But… but… those good ol’ days felt so good! We need to relive those days!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This isn't exclusively a problem of the new administration, or the previous. All administrations since the late 20th century have been compliant in allowing the offshoring of most industry

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

It’s not just industry. Now they’re killing the development of skills and knowledge in engineering (hardware, software) and design

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And in the US we just block foreign options because it is gov policy to artificially support specific corporations.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 week ago (3 children)

the country of free market capitalism...

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oddly libertarians never acknowledge that market leaders ask for theses things. The biggest threat to the free market are capitalists themselves.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

American libertarianism is just a form of nationalism mixed with a strong dose of "don't nose into muh life"

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago (12 children)

i hate musk, but i am not wild about our dependence on china either, so i am not really sure who to root for in this fight...

[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 week ago (24 children)

I would say go with whatever company that doesn't have a CEO throwing Nazi salutes.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Yeah, the Chinese manufacturers are out to make money, and at least we know what to expect from them.

Besides, being profitable usually means making a better product than your competitors.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (11 children)

GASP!

You mean... Proper capitalism!?

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Root for better public transport and active cities instead of car dependency :)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The public transport bus I take to and from work is a Chinese made electric. It's a Yutong E15.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (22 children)

Competition is good for the consumer. More options from more players will encourage more charging infrastructure and (ostensibly) more innovation. It's not just Elon Musk vs China. Every automaker that wants to sell cars in the USA is on notice. If they want to compete in the EV subcategory, they need to focus on price and performance. People want budget-conscious EVs.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (16 children)

Everywhere is depndent on China, buy the car that isnt overtly a fascist car. They also suck.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

as customers switch to Chinese EVs

Sure. That's the reason.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 week ago (14 children)

I don't think that's what they meant. I think they are just saying that people are still buying EVs, but they are just going to Chinese and other manufacturers instead of buying a Tesla. The article specifically calls out the stupid shit Elon has been doing.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago

Which is important because about a year ago the headlines were saying EV sales were collapsing. In fact, it was just Tesla having less market share of new EVs sold because other manufacturers got off their ass.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Even before the current political situation I wouldn't have bought a Tesla. They have a documented quality problem and not very good customer service at least outside of the US.

Why would I buy a car that is not only more likely than most to break but when it does break it's hard to get fixed. Spare parts are notoriously hard to get hold of and you usually have to deal with Tesla directly which is a problem because they don't have a lot of dealerships in the UK. Also they won't come to you, so if your car won't start you have to arrange a pickup.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I used to like and look up to SpaceX for the interesting stuff that they build,

but nowadays i don't care anymore. The company can fail for all i care. Musk spoiled it.

The tipping point, for me personally, was when Musk seriously threatened to slash public spending in February this year. It shows a clear disrespect to the people, and frankly, a sociopathic attitude.

Musk had everything, lots of money, lots of fame, lots of influence, but he threw it all away when he decided to threaten the wellbeing and lifelyhood of a lot of people just so that rich assholes can make an extra buck through tax cuts.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (6 children)

SpaceX should be nationalized. We paid for it, it's ours.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't know why you didn't just fund NASA properly.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Government agencies can't bribe as good. Our politicians are whipped dogs who sell the free world for less than an F-150 a year in kickbacks.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Better super late than never.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Looking forward to Tesla reporting Q2 earnings next month. I assume another round of disastrous numbers paired up with some vaporware distraction. Perhaps they can keep this charade going, but at some point reality will catch up.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I own BYD and it is a great car. Very pleased with it.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

Good, continue with the downward spiral.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Chinese electric cars are just better. BYD is what Tesla wanted to be, but actually fulfills its promises. Plus it isn't ran by a nazi dictator.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I uh.. you sure about that dictator thing? xi jinping enters the chat

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children)

If you think Xi Jinping is dictating what BYD does with their cars then you don't understand the fundamentals as to why China managed to attract so much foreign investment and got to where they are now in the first place.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hitler was "incendiary" and "political" but I think there's a four-letter word so much better, so much more concise, that this wording is actual disinformation.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Here in the UK Musk is just seen as an idiot. Some decent European EV solutions coming along but the Chinese cars are so much better value than Tesla OR the main European makes. Couldn't happen to a nicer megalomaniac and as a plus I love seeing the monthly SpaceX explosions

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This is one of the reason that the USA being heavy handed with Chinese is going to bite us in the ass. While in the USA, we bury our heads in the sand and GM, Tesla and etc. all crank out $95,000 giant trucks/SUVs, some companies in China are making very, very affordable vehicles. These aren't necessarily garbage either -- there's models available for almost any price point.

What WOULD be really smart and forward thinking is if in the USA, the domestic brands also make some affordable models to get EV more popular. However, they are addicted to fat profit margins, and thanks to all the protectionism, they don't need to worry about offshore models being "better".

While other nations either develop and/or import affordable EVs, we're effectively banning them. This is all going to end up with a giant wake up call for American auto-manufacturers when the protections/tariffs are ultimately lifted and they HAVE to compete.

I think it would be great if the tariffs came with huge incentives for domestic manufacturers and motivated them to be competitive. Instead, it's just letting them segment the market for a few years and make a killing. Who loses? The people...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

These cars are passing EU safety tests which are generally more demanding than the USA.

They are definitely getting good, fast.

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