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[–] [email protected] 98 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is why you specify that they are straight, parallel lines.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Perhaps this is just a projection of a square from a non-Euclidean space in which the lines are in fact straight and parallel.

I think the 2D surface of a cone (or double cone) would be an appropriate space, allowing you to construct this shape such that angles and distances around geodesics are conserved in both the space itself and the projected view.

This shape in that space would have four sides of equal length connected by four right angles AND the lines would be geodesics (straight lines) that are parallel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I suppose you could get a shape like this if you tried to draw a square by true headings and bearings near the North pole of a sphere. "Turn heading 090, travel 10 miles. Turn heading 180, travel 10 miles." and so forth. Start at a spot close to the pole and this will be your ground track.

Actually no it isn't, because attempting to make a square you'd make four turns in the same direction, this would require turning left, right, right, left.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

They could be if we're talking about non-euclidian geometry.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

there is no definition that someone can't fuck up, that's the point of this exercise, not to find a perfect definition

But as usual 70% of you miss it

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The point of this exercise is to say "ha-ha gotcha, I'm so clever neener neener" while everyone else rolls their eyes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

And if I were there for Diogenes's chicken caper my eyes would have been a-rolling...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The way science advances is in part making definitions harder and harder to screw up

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Science is only one facet of life where definitions are important, and arguably not even the most daily impactful.

Also science is one of the few arenas with any real interest in a rigorous epistemic framework so that same concept of advancing definitions doesn't work with social values, political situations, and most media where definitions are changed or co-opted for convenience and leverage rather than objective rhetorical value.

Pretending they do leads to things like 'we will become more progressive over time as a society' being accepted as truisms of human nature instead of the long-term efforts of hundreds of thousands of highly motivated and violently targeted individuals working to better the world for people they will never meet.

So yes, rigorous definitions in science is important, and thankfully we have developed many useful frameworks to ensure that no matter where in the world scientists share knowledge that it can be held to certain standards of rigor and objectivity

Literally no other facet of life has that same kind of special protection.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don’t remember all my geometric rules I guess, but can an arc, intersecting a line, ever truly be a right angle? At no possible length of segment along that arc can you draw a line that’s perpendicular to the first.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

An infinitely small segment of the arc can be.
Geometrically there isn't a problem. If you draw a line from that point to the center of the arc, it will make it clearer.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I guess if we define it as a calculus problem, I can see the point..

I didn’t mean to pun but there it is and I’m leaving it. Any way, there is no infinitely small section that’s perpendicular. Only the tangent at a single (infinitely small) point along a smooth curve, as we approach from either direction. Maybe that’s still called perpendicular.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

A right angle exists between the radius of the circle and the line tangent to the circle at the point that the radial line intersects it. So we can say the radius forms a right angle with the circle at that point because the slope of the curve is equal to that of the tangent line at that point.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (3 children)

but they aren’t parallel

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And the right angles are supposed to be inside, not 2 out 2 in

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I think that, in order to have this be a projection of a square, the space between the interior right angles of the space from which it was projected would have to be not just curved, but also twisted, like a Möbius strip, such that a person "walking" the square and starting from the rightmost angle leftward would start walking as if they were on your screen (their head coming out away from the screen), but then they would need to have their perspective twist so that they are now walking on the "underside" of the figure (their head now pointing into your phone). This would allow them to perceive the two "external" turns as "internal" turns, as well. Then it just needs to untwist on the way back. We just can't see the twisting, because the lines have no width.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They could be in some n-dimensional spaces

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

"That's ....like.....just your perspective, man"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

You could just use polar coordinates

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Going off webster... it looks like this really is only stretching the lines to fit one adjective

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/square

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Those are not 4 right angles, but 2 right angles and 2 angles of 270 degrees

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So 2 right angle and two wrong angle. Got it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts will.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. Wikipedia calls a square a "regular quadrilateral," which seems like a decent enough definition.

Today I learned that when you make up your own inadequate definition, then it's easy to match the definition with something inadequate.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It wasn't funny when Diogenes did it and it isn't funny now but it keeps getting reposted anyway and we have to pretend it is

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I understand Diogenes was usually the life of the party, so they just pretended it was funny.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Philosophers of that era spend a lot of time drunk.

I mean who the fuck dies from laughing to death at a donkey eating figs?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Fuck off, Diogenes!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

The square is a parallelogram, this is not a parallelogram.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Explain it to a ball