Tbf, he should abdicate to a younger Democrat. I don't want to "settle for Joe".
I was pissed when Bernie Sanders had the rug pulled out from under him.
I really want to consolidate, but not under Joe Biden.
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Then vote for someone else in the primaries. But as soon as it is the general election it is either the democrat or fascism. Even if you don't vote at all, it will just strengthen the fascist party.
You’re right about what we have to do, but are we even having primaries this time? Because of how the primary process was scheduled in 2020 Biden had the nomination all but locked up by the time I got to vote in them. I’m 100% voting for Biden, you can look into my comments and find me admonishing some asshole advocating for third party presidential candidates over Biden. But I do understand the frustration with having to vote again for someone I didn’t want the first time and isn’t representative of the direction I want the country to move in besides not wanting to be in a fascist theocracy.
That is a fair point. The primary system as well as the election system as a whole should probably reformedbut that is nearly impossible without flipping a lot of States.
I'm from Switzerland and we had a similar voting system for a long time. It was only changed by implementing more ways for the populace to directly decide about matters in both the Cantons (States) and Switzerland as a whole. So this might be a good way to implement change as it gives people a specific matter to vote on.
In Switzerland it was made possible by populists that wanted a more direct democracy.
So I hope something like this is possible for the US as well as many things like legalized weed, abortion access, a good health insurance system or voting reforms often have a stable majority among the voters, they just don't vote accordingly.
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I want to vote to change the voting system. We deserve to vote for who we trust with the job rather than against the candidate we fear most.
I have to compartmentalize pretty hard each election cycle. I wish I had time to campaign for a voting system change, but I haven't.
That would nearly guarantee a win for Trump. Incumbency advantage is strong as is name recognition. I don't like Biden either but he's better than a literal fascist. If Trump wins in 2024 there will not be an election in 2028.
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Should have been Bernie. SMH
More of this nonsense. Spent a fair bit of time on Reddit explaining to folks that few young people turned out for Bernie in the primary. That space was/is replete with apologists digging every conspiracy out of the book instead of acknowledging that Biden simply drew the most votes. And then of course there's a bit of obviousness that never gets addressed: Trump handing Bernie his ass.
Here we are again. Where are the primary voters? Seems a handful of people care to make noise over the results but only a fraction of that number even care to turn out for them. What does turn out is that most people don't end up giving a fuck about voting anything but the presidential election.
I'm sure the collective delusion feels good to immerse oneself in though.
There was no Biden to begin with. Bernie starts gaining traction and then, what? Biden comes out of the woodwork at the 11th hour to split the dem vote and gets bankrolled to prevent a far-left and progressive democrat party. Yeah, he was running on donations from the public, but he was absolutely gaining traction. He absolutely was sabotaged.
Yes? Biden won a lot of moderate states on Super Tuesday, and then a bunch of milque toast candidates dropped out and endorsed the same. Sanders strategy was to gain momentum in the early bellwether and had some success. It just didn't translate country wide, and South Carolina showed the beginning of that pretty clearly.
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There were shenanigans to sink Bernie's ship. That being said, while I'd have been happy with him, there's no way he could've won looking at the map in hindsight. So I'm glad because Biden is better than another four years of Trump.
You're 100% correct that all the enthusiasm online didn't turn out young voters in the primary, and all the complaints about old people winning elections are mostly from the same demographic that didn't turn out to vote. They turned out in slightly greater numbers than usual but there is an untapped well of political power to change things if young people actually got each other to vote.
It won't work. Conceding the already filled chair is seen as a weakness and they will parade that thought around. We know better, but they will not let the Dems live it down. It's the Dem nomination in 28 that matters. This year is Joe and maybe Trump. Depending on the stupidity of the Reps.
Here's the thing - what is the viable alternative? We are talking the orange blob otherwise, which means fascism, and the end of democracy in this nation.
Is Biden perfect? Of course not. Is he too old? Yeah, most likely. All the purity ponies and the so-called "independents" that are setting us up for another "win" (EC only) of the orange blob are not really thinking this through...
This is where I'm at. Biden is not my preferred candidate, but I don't see a better alternative stepping up. Witmer, Newsome, Shapiro, etc have all opted not to run. Joe Biden is the strongest candidate running for president that can and has beat Trump, end of story. I'd love to live in a world where I can vote for a young progressive in the 2024 general election, but we simply don't live in that world. The focus should be on pushing Biden to the left, not complaining that he's taking the place of some imagined candidate that doesn't exist.
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I want to preface this by saying I'm voting for Biden.
All the purity ponies and the so-called “independents” that are setting us up for another “win” (EC only) of the orange blob are not really thinking this through…
So, those people still exist. The party still needs their votes. Browbeating ain't gonna bring them on board. Is the party going to try appealing to them, or does it prefer Dictator Trump to lowering itself to treating the left like valued constituents?
I'm voting for Biden. But I'm also disappointed that the stuff he ran on was gleefully jettisoned by the congress that he said would work with him because of his experience. The people who are happy that minimum wage stayed put and most of BBB was gutted are now turning around and being like "vote for us! you have no choice!" and it looks for all the world like they're taking advantage of the situation.
People are giving up. Out of apathy, out of disgust, because they feel betrayed. Fuck, I'm voting for Biden and I'm feeling apathetic, disgusted, and betrayed.
Biden has 11 months to turn this around. His supporters who are demanding unquestioning happiness from everyone who has been let down by this administration aren't moving that needle in the direction that gets him re-elected. But damn, does it feel good to browbeat people who see what's coming if the party doesn't alter course.
This last sentence is the fourth time I'm going to mention that I'm voting for Biden, and I expect all four will be ignored.
Another Biden voter here:
Member the democratic primary when Joe threatened to beat up somebody questioning his (questionable as hell) record?
I member.
People don't get it, like fuck Biden. Fuck trump more, of course, but fuck Biden. And fuck all these people who want you to spoon the shit soup in with a smile.
They did the same thing to us this time as they do every time. They lied to get us to vote for them then turned around and feigned helplessness when we demanded they actually follow through.
It feels like our choices are "dark path that leads to widespread political violence" or "dark path that continues existing political violence on a smaller scale."
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The alternative is PRIMARY HIM. That ass doesn’t deserve our vote and his hubris that he will get it no matter what is driving this country into a game of chicken with madness. He must retire and the only way he will listen is if we credibly refuse to support him NOW
Didn't he initially say he was going to be a one termer? If so, he should keep his word. Either way, he should be primaries.
How many times do we have to keep voting for the lesser evil. The more years I've been doing this the more voting for the lesser evil I hear.
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It says a lot that this piece doesn’t even acknowledge Biden’s advocacy for Israel’s genocide as any kind of factor in his sinking support.
Trump's people think Biden is holding back and that we should be assisting Israel even more. There are Evangelicals who believe that we should nuke the whole Middle East to bring about the end times.
I really don't see not voting for Biden
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Biden started out well in 21 and 22 because he tried to appeal to his progressive base. That being said, Biden is a fucking moron if he believes his neolib pivot didn't hurt his poll numbers.
It's not too late, Biden needs to pivot back to progressive policies instead of this blame the voters BS like Hillary tried. Blame leaders, not voters.
So, you have a choice. a less than perfect candidate, or someone who has already endorsed the idea of suspending the Constitution and A-bombing Palestine.
I expect to have more options on my ballot.
Why? When have you ever had a perfect candidate? I like what NYC ex-mayor Ed Koch said. "If you agree with me 51% of the time, vote for me. If you agree with me 100% of the time, see a doctor."
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I will vote for a progressive, if trump is elected its on the center dems for failing.
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fuck the hill, right wing owned and biased trash
Just look at the word they chose for the title, implying they are just shouting down any dissent at all. Fuck these media fascist lovers
Another example: https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/18/media/jimmy-finkelstein-the-hill-ukraine/index.html
Beyond his relationship with Solomon, Trump, and Giuliani, Finkelstein (owner) was Solomon’s direct supervisor at The Hill and created the conditions which permitted Solomon to publish his conspiratorial stories without the traditional oversight implemented at news outlets. And he has kept a watchful eye on the newspaper’s coverage to ensure it is not too critical of the President.
implying they are just shouting down any dissent at all.
gestures broadly at thread
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Except for Tom Daschle who gave a pretty non-committal response, the names in this article seem like nobodies. Why are the statements of random consultants a news story? Who cares what the "deputy campaign manager for John Kerry’s 2004 presidential run" or a "senior policy adviser at Holland & Knight and former senior policy adviser to Vice President Harris" says?
I sure hope these aren't the names that come up when someone asks "who are Biden's closest allies".
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If you don't like Joe Biden, they only way to tell the Democratic party to change is by voting for Jill Stein.
They will keep sabotaging the primaries to get trash like Joe Biden until you leave and make them change.
This type of mentality is how Trump gets re-elected. And it's looking more and more like it will be the end of democracy in the US if that happens.
No, Joe Biden is how Trump can get re-elected. This wouldn't be a problem if you didn't vote for terrible candidates like Joe Biden in the first place.
Last time was literally a choice between Biden and Trump. You're saying by voting in the guy who wasn't Trump, we gave Trump the presidency? So, we should have simply allowed him to win with his highly mobilized and motivated supporters? That's a brilliant strategy, I wonder how that would have played out. Surely, an awesome third option would have magically appeared at the last second and won it all, right? Like, what do you even want from people? You don't like Trump, but you also don't like when people vote against him. If people hadn't voted Biden in, though, we'd already be in another Trump presidency right now.
It sounds like what you're advocating is that we had a better front-runner than Biden in the first place, one so amazing that they'd obviously blow Trump right out of the water. I also want that, but we didn't/don't and we as voters have no control over who runs, that's just wishful thinking. Yes, we should have better candidates. Where are they? In the meantime, we have no choice but to take the reality that we have, even if it means biting our tongues and voting for Biden again. It will once again come down to Biden vs Trump and to let Trump run away with this one would be a big mistake.
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