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Join the petition to ask the Canadian government to adopt Standard Time all year round.

"Changing clocks twice a year is hazardous to your health.  There are many studies showing that changing the clock and staying on Daylight Saving Time negatively impacts our circadian rhythm, causes increases in strokes and heart attacks, impacts people with depression and seasonal affective disorder and causes more car accidents. 

I ask the Canadian Government to finally stop Daylight Saving Time and enact Permanent Standard Time. Even if one person is saved from having a stroke or heart attack or is saved from a car accident, it's worth it.  Support the health and safety of Canadians and set an example for the rest of the world.  

Follow the scientific research. Do the right thing and not just the easy and uninformed thing.  Don’t change the clocks. Leave them on Standard Time year round. Do not spring forward."

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Agree with the sentiment but these online petitions are worthless in my opinion

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Absolutely, first I think it is a provincial jurisdiction, and for instance Québec already said that they will align with NY state jurisdiction, so this petition is useless.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

I'll agree, with one exception (which might prove the rule): www.ourcommons.ca which hosts official House of Commons petitions (I believe some provinces have a similar website).

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Some good analysis on why having summer time as the permanent time would be good for safety

https://drivingintherealworld.com/turning-back-time-a-strike-against-pedestrians-literally/

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Join the petition to ask the Canadian government to adopt Daylight Time all year round.

I ask the Canadian Government to finally stop Daylight Saving Time and enact Permanent Standard Time.

So uhh.. which is it?

I want the current time (DST) forever and will sign accordinly

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It was the latter. Op seems to have updated their post accordingly.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Good initial, but why not do a proper Citizen Petition in your state instead of a scam for profit website?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think that would have to go by province, in Canada.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

I think the whole world just adopt a single time. We'd just get used to midday being 9pm and eating dinner at 2am. No more time zones to worry about.

[–] nsfw936421 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not as simple as that because first: Timezones make it pretty obvious that you have to think or even calculate if it's currently the day or middle of the night. If you want to call someone in another country it's obvious that you'd first have to figure out their local time. If everyone used the same time than this would be easy, but you would've still have to figure out which time range is day time and night time so no benefit there.

For a lot of countries that would also mean that every "solar day" will be two calender days. You wake up at 19:00 March 1st. and just before lunch the date switches to March 2nd. It would be a mess.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Worldwide UTC now!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

UTC is a thing and used by many industries!

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honest question. Can someone tell me of any time an online petition actually amounted to change in the real world?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure about these "change" petitions which always seemed to me as just a way to gather user data. But, go to the House of Commons website where you will be able to view actual petitions to the government of Canada. There, you can sign them and/or create your own. If you're lucky, the government may even respond with some thoughts/excuses. 🙂

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I just hate how in Toronto the sun comes up/goes down an hour too early year round

This won’t change that though, I need to live at the western edge of a timezone

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll respectfully say, "NO".

It would hurt my physical and mental health more to see the sun set at 7:30-8pm during the summer, and would benefit no one for the sun to come up at 4:30am in Toronto.

But from a population perspective, the idea for permanent standard time Canada-widel is flawed.

Sleep is more negatively impacted by people's phone use and caffeine consumption, not the time.

Car accidents are impacted more by phone use and distractions inside of cars; and the fact that large SUVs basically kill everyone. It's interesting to note that traffic fatalities in Saskatchewan (permanent standard time) is considerably higher than other provinces.

Heart attacks and strokes are 99% lifestyle-related: with diet and exercise being the most important factors. You might be surprised to hear that watching a live sporting event also contributes to heart attacks, but I'm sure nobody wants to ban hockey.

Also as an FYI, heart failure is higher in Saskatchewan (permanent standard time) vs Ontario, Quebec, Manitoba, etc. (all have DTS half the year).

I appreciate the desire to reduce deaths and car accidents, but there are significantly better ways to do it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IIRC didn't a recent prime minister (probably Trudeau) say that we would do it if the US also did it? I agree that DST is a mistake but I think doing it without coordination of the US would be cause fare more pain than benefits.

The EU also recommended member states to stop doing DST if I recall correctly. So it seems like if the US can be convinced the world would pretty quickly move away from DST.

On the other hand aren't the health concerns mostly bunk? I remember seeing a lot of studies that noted an uptick of various issues during a DST transition but closer inspection revealed that the vast majority of this effect was time-shifting of issues that were going to happen anyways. Basically if you were going to have a heart attack in the next week you will have it during the jump, but if you look at the week or month overall there was no statically significant change. I do admit that I am behind on research here though. Are there any well reviewed meta-analysis that are showing significant results?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, there is some decent research on this though nothing super definitive because most research is still very local. Specially on traffic accidents, most security experts agree that having DST permanent would be beneficial.

I'm the opinion that having fewer crashes would offset the mild annoyance of being 1 hour out of sync with the US, but I'm not too strong on this stance either. We have other things that have higher return for same level of effort to implement... like better car lighting regulations that as always the US (NHTSA) is fucking motionless and we're locked to them.

I'd put all chips to eliminating RTOR but I don't expect to see that in my lifetime.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Get rid of dst yes, not make it permanent.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No thanks. BC has super early sunrise in summer with Daylight savings, going back to standard time for summer would put the daylight starting about 3:30-4am

Each province should work out what suits their average day. BC we get 45 minutes more early morning sun, Ontario and East gets about 45 mins later sun.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Premier David Eby has said change will be enacted once Washington state, Oregon, California also make the move

How likely is this to happen in the next few years, though? Seems hopeless to me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

So their plan is 3:30am sunrise?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

What's so crazy about that? It's pretty far north, it's pretty normal to have long sunlight hours in the summer up north. Northern BC doesn't get any night time in the summer anyways. The darkest they get is nautical twilight. And they get almost 19 hours of sun.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Can we do it after they give me my hour of sleep back though? I suspect they'd just do it after the stupid "spring forward" and rob us of that precious hour

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I'd rather be on permanent daylight saving time since I hate it when it gets dark so early.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Join the petition to ask the Canadian government to adopt Daylight Time all year round.

I ask the Canadian Government to finally stop Daylight Saving Time and enact Permanent Standard Time.

Is the first line supposed to be Standard Time?

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