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49% of independents, 15% of Republicans think Trump should end campaign: poll
(www.independent.co.uk)
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These are people who believe in the death penalty because "courts don't make mistakes".
Calvinist Predestination stans when something they don't like happens.
In other words 51% of independents and 85% of Republicans think he should keep running
Hey now, there's a 5% section of people who just don't give a shit (yet still answer polls for some reason).
I know it won't happen, but what would happen if Trump dropped out after formally becoming the Republican candidate?
They’d pick someone else, probably whoever was the #2 candidate or the VP pick (with them choosing a new VP, since the election hasn’t happened yet). The electoral college can pick whoever it wants, so as long as the party has consensus I don’t see it being a huge deal.
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If he or the GOP had any integrity whatsoever, he would. They don't though, which is really ironic since ya know, law and order, patriots, merica, ect. The republican party is a joke.
Honestly, if they were smart they would offer up a better candidate (if they had one) and that would be real trouble for Biden. If the candidate were opposed to the Israeli genocide and moderate or slightly left, he might win over some Biden voters that ate unhappy. Sadly, there is no such sane Republican. They are all just as nutty as Trump or worse.
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Trump's conviction isn't going to be the big turning point of this election. What happens after his conviction will. If he continues to spew vitriol about the judge, prosecution, and jury, eventually one of his followers will commit an act of retribution. That puts Trump in a difficult spot, because his core likes this kind of stuff. He will want to show his support, but if he does, it will again show he encourages domestic terrorism. If he does anything other than condemn the attack, his support among moderates will fall away, just like it did after Jan. 6th. If he does condemn the attack, his core may protest, like they did when he changed his opinion on the COVID vaccines.
Yeah that would be weird to see Trump forced into awkward rambling doublespeak that doesn’t make sense if you listen to the words.
XD
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Trump don't care.
I look forward to seeing pics from his incarceration with no makeup and no hair stylist. It'll be epic.
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This election will be won at the margins. Shit like this matters. Our task is to stoke their discontentment.
Independents will be so important
So will the extreme left.
They seem to have this idea that holding their vote for Biden hostage over Israel is morally just in spite of a mountain of evidence that tells us violence within this country against minorities, women, and lgbtq folks (which is already openly on the rise) will sky rocket if Trump wins....oh and all the authoritarian fascist stuff that is straight out of a dictator playbook when seizing power with no intent to ever relinquish it.....but nevermind that.
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How are those numbers so low. Jesus Christ
Man, you’re right. And here I was thinking “wow, 15% is more than I expected.” What a sad realization that is.
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I'm acquainted with a few felons who got the maximum sentences allowable for their crimes. Why? Lack of recognizance.
When your famous, they just let you do it
What do they mean by “independents”? Are we talking NPA, AIP, or both?
I'm more obsessed with the idea of being a republican this long, and only now changing your mind about 45. The list of things about him which are twice as bad alone is stultifying.
A lot of people still have trust in the courts. They hear conservative media saying “these are just left wing accusations,” and don’t think he has done anything wrong.
However, now that he has a conviction, a growing number of people are leaving him because they courts are infallible (to them).
I know it’s wishful thinking to think he will get jail time in July, or that he will get any other conviction before November.
But once you’re a felon, you’re a felon. And he’s a felon 34 times.
It's so baffling though. Sincerely believing "these are just left wing accusations" and maga/swamp slogans, maps onto "the judge had a conflict of interest, this was a witch hunt" etc., by the exact same route of illusion.
The only way I can make sense of this, is to assume that we're not really dealing with sincere belief. It's hard to imagine a rational Republican that stood behind the former president through everything since the birth certificate thing, and are now somehow chastened. Maybe they simply think it'll be a bad look for their guy to be wearing an ankle bracelet on inauguration day / in the first 100 days in office, and it will compromise their party's future election chances. A question of 'ick' factor, and not some extension of actual values and beliefs, like we might hope. "Convicted felon" is a soft Dean scream, maybe.
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I know a registered Republican who has never voted for the Republican candidate in the general election.
She says she agrees with the concept of fiscal conservativism, but every candidate she votes for in the primaries always loses to some intolerable asshat. Except she did like McCain, but she liked Obama even better.
Trump pushed her so far as to donate to the Democrats, but she is still registered Republican.
I know another registered Republican who did vote Republican back in the 80s, but at least says he hasn't recently, similar reasons. He stays Republican mainly because he doesn't see any point in bothering to change. Where he lives is die hard red so he knows the Republican primaries are his only chance to influence any candidate as even if he likes a Democrat, they will automatically lose. He votes Democrat in the general, but considers participating in the Republican primaries his best shot at mitigating the bad of the modern Republican party.
That's at least within kicking distance of sanity
The first one is just delusional. The Dems are the fiscal conservatives. Repubs want to sell off the country to billionaires, foreign or domestic is fine.
The second one, registering for the one primary that matters in a shithole district is the only sane option IMO. The primary is the real election for places like that. It would be foolish to throw a vote away to make a statement the party will never listen to.
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Hahahaha... When has he ever listen to the opinions of others?
Oh, all the time when it involves things that aren't centered around him. In those cases he will usually take on the opinion of the last person that he spoke to (that knew how to butter him up first)..
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