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[–] [email protected] 152 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Everyone just keeps acting like its normal

That's a common trope in dystopian settings.

The youngest people in the society don't understand that anything is even wrong. The rich folks have a vested interest in people being more afraid of foreigners and domestic terrorists than any government malfeasance. And the working class is so occupied with simple survival that they see no real opportunity to revolt... until something really falls off the rails, at which point the military moves in to suppress dissent with maximum bloodshed.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 9 months ago (3 children)

In those dystopia settings however, they never seem to have all the literature describing dystopia. We do here

[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago

Eh, it depends on the author. I've seen a lot of modern Post-Apocalypse/Cyberpunk stuff make comedic quasi-self-references by way of media-within-the-media (A piece of modern literature in the Fallout setting describing a "dystopian" world in the self-proclaimed utopian Vaults, for instance).

But the point of the media-within-the-media is often to illustrate how we fixate on the drama of dystopia without acknowledging the banality of social evils.

[–] pantyhosewimp 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Right now, in the mostly-free-press parts of the world, I now think that dystopian scifi no longer serves as a warning of what not to do but instead acts as a numbing agent to increased oppression.

This is going to sound very Maoist or whatever but we need more utopian scifi like Star Trek TNG. We need utopian visions imagined for us so we have something to work towards.

It was so refreshing to watch the Chinese TV show for Three-Body where the world was at peace with each other and trying to solve this bizarre global mystery. Sure, the Chinese government was painted as much more competent than American & European governments but Hollywood does the same thing with the US government too.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 9 months ago (9 children)

I’ve read history. I know what actual dystopian nightmares look like. We’re not in one.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 9 months ago (2 children)

"Things can always get worse" is a pretty shit justification to say things aren't bad now.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

No-one is saying that all is fine. Yes, there are loads of big issues right now, but we're still living better and safer than 99% of all the humans that have ever lived. We are not living Ina dystopian world.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (4 children)

History does not only repeat, and simply looking at the past can make you blind to the novel ways society has transformed. For example, oppression has been a constant throughout history, but it never has been as faceless as it is today. Lords and kings have been replaced by corporations and agencies operating across borders, in ways and with purposes that I don't think anyone who's not actually involved with can claim they fully understand.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Someone in Gaza would disagree right now.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Yeah, and Jews in WWII would disagree with you.

It's always easy to find a very specific group of people that are having a horrible time, that doesn't mean that on average, humans live better and safer than in the entire history of humanity. Sure, the last 10 years saw a bit of a down turn, but thing are still way better than, say, 40 years ago.

I guess it's hard to remember how really hard life could be

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Idk man it’s really not a competition. AI powered automated genocide and industrialized genocide are both horrible in their own way and to me absolutely dystopian nightmares. Same way how China uses AI to track every aspect of their citizens lives + also genocide.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (9 children)

It's really not. At least no more than it has been in the past

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah, there are tons of things to make better and improve on, but things could be a lot freaking worse. (For more people, anyway, for too many people it’s already terrible currently, e.g. Gaza, Ukraine, Sudan, Yemen, Haiti … )

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yeah standard of living overall is factually better than at any other point in the last few hundred years.

Medicine alone has made getting to or living past your mid-30’s far less hard or filled with pain - even for those in poverty.

And hell I’d argue that if the original commenter really believes it’s a dystopian shit-show…it’s crystal clear how to make your own lot better.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah standard of living overall is factually better than at any other point in the last few hundred years.

Really depends on who you are and where you live. I'm watching my Houston ISD getting torn apart before my eyes. Police were running around UH campus clubbing students and dragging them into squad cars just a few weeks ago. The derecho that blew through downtown knocked out 5-10% of the windows in various buildings and killed the power for a few days. Electricity costs have doubled in the last ten years, while summer heat is up a sold five degrees Fahrenheit on average.

Is my standard of living better than it was for someone living in the city a generation ago? Doesn't look like it. But hey, we've got weird new AI and the stock market is very up. Is it better than someone living in Houston in 1824? Yeah... I guess? But so much of that seems to hinge on having electricity and running water. And the more pipes keep bursting and lines keep getting knocked down, the less reliable these services seem.

Medicine alone has made getting to or living past your mid-30’s far less hard

Average life expectancy has been over 60 years of age since at least the 19th century. A lot of that came entirely out of the advent of vaccinations.

Good think we're not having trouble convincing people to get vaccinated in the modern era, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not to forget, how we now "only" work 40h (for most people), but productivity went up and a lot of down times and social interaction in the past, were replaced by workload grind in a now stressful office environments.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The same people that quote that these are the least violent and most progressive times we live in will turn right around and say we're in an ever increasing dystopian hellhole despite all the scientific evidence to the contrary.

They will continue to bemoan mainstream media and social media pushing propaganda on them they continue to link on THEIR better social media.

You'll then be yelled at for Green washing and unironically saying that progressives are in the democratic party for a reason despite saying all politicians are the same from their useful idiot basements while pretending to be a Bernie Bro despite him endorsing Hilary, and Biden lol.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm too broke to worry about much more then working enough to feed myself and afford my shitty apartment for another month.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So what your saying is the system is working as intended.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh well, at least frogurt is still relatively cheap.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It also comes in plant-based varieties!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The plants contain potassium benzoate!

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I think this vision usually comes to be when people aren't aware of how much worse other people have it, or how much worse was in the past.

Sure nowdays there are a lot of terrible things happening, but we have the best tools ever to fix them.

The world needs a bit more of optimism, the only way we can start fixing our problems is acting like we can.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 9 months ago (10 children)

It's always been terrible, this the best we've had, and it's still still terrible.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago (5 children)

reading 1984 as a kid: Wow how could anyone live in England?

understanding the world a bit more as an adult: The overwhelming majority of people just live where they were born and accept whatever good or bad things come along. Making positive changes to our system is a slow process, not unlike planting trees so that future people can enjoy the shade.

me now: Wow how could anyone live in England?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

The overwhelming majority of people just live where they were born and accept whatever good or bad things come along.

This!! I've been trying to tell people this for so long but no one every listens. Most people especially Americans are the boiling frog. They choose to live in blissful ignorance because it's easier than actually fixing the problem, and now the rest of us who can actually acknowledge what's going on have to suffer

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Potential convicted felon president with many active indictments looking to give himself blanket immunity for all crime and appointing himself dictator president for life. All while every year is the hottest year on record, there isn't enough housing, actually nazis feel safe to actively demonstrate in public, a million less Americans are alive post COVID and all of the world's wealth is split between 7 people and all the world's companies owned by 4 parent companies...

What the fuck are you talking about dystopian?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago

No. I'm familiar with history. It is normal.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (4 children)

What’s the other option?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Are you telling me you can't even imagine a better world?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

And so we go, on with our lives
We know the truth but prefer lies
Lies are simple, simple is bliss
Why go against tradition when we can
Admit defeat, live in decline
Be the victim of our own design
The status quo, built on suspect
Why would anyone stick out their neck?

Fellow members
Club "We've got ours"
I'd like to introduce you to our host
He's got his and I've got mine
Meet the decline

NOFX - The Decline

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

People are not acting, they are desensitized... we all are in some capacity, the difference being the few who can recognise this😅

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (7 children)

do we tough?

maybe get off the internet and enjoy your life a bit.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes we do live in a dystopian nightmare. It's just that most people posting here, including myself, live a fucking privileged life, where we don't have to share the same worries that about 80% of the world population have, including a large part of even the US population nowadays.

We (the privileged people) are the baddies from all those dystopian stories.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

That's because a lot of people are profiting from things being the way they are. And the rest of them are too scared and traumatized to risk saying anything.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Literally gives me anxiety to the point I need meds

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Please, for the love of God step outside and connect with your community.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

We are, but also why can't we make things better? Money is made up and billionaires hoard it all. They should be dangled over shark tanks until they fix everyone's life.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

Like I said, gratitude is hard.

It is hard to have gratitude when there is inequality

It is hard to have gratitude when competition is encouraged and enshrined by people who benefit from it

It is hard to have gratitude when the constructs in which we live seem unjust

It is hard to wake up and look around and find something to be grateful for

It is hard to be grateful when all you can see is what you don't have

Being genuinely appreciative of what you do have leads to a quieter mind and a happier life. We have one life.

It comes across as some stupid bullshit, I know. But the resentment and frustration aren't useful. Clarity of mind and purpose is, and is more sustainable than passion and anger.

My 2c.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

That's how it always happens, unfortunately. "Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me."

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