I am surprised it's called "America's celebrated work ethic" - from my (Dutch) perspective, it's notoriously terribly exploitative and bordering on dystopian for many. Is it true that people celebrate American work practices?!
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Methinks perhaps the International Business Times may value capitalism over quality of life.
I think capitalism tends to be valued over life in general.
I think they especially value the poor people paid to spam their sites around until their user gets banned and they make a new one and continue.
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A lot of my fellow Americans celebrate their work ethic. You have no idea how many times people, even people on sites like this one, brag about how hard and how many hours they work. I never got it. The minute that clocked turns five, I'm out the door.
Having lived and worked in Britain which also has the very same "work hard" fetish, I've always felt that was just celebrating the very opposite of efficiency:
- A person in a quarry breaking stone with a small hammer 12h a day is working hard.
- A person in a quarry breaking stone with a pneumatic drill 2h a day is working far less hard.
Guess which of the two produces more gravel at the end of each day....
In many industries "hours worked" might be vastly easier to measure for each worker than their productivity (plus under bad management highly productive workers get trottled down by the rest and things like bad project planning), but "hours worked" is in no way form or shape the desired product of employing somebody unless what we're talking about is a Human Resources company billing those hours to a client.
The only reason I willingly do extra hours is when I'm coding and in a flow state, but at that point time ceases to exist. I get sucked back periodically cuz tech job, but my work is really good about letting us flex our time as long as we hit 40.
I had a boss once who liked brag about never taking PTO, as if it were a positive thing. To me that just means your priorities are ass backwards.
Unwordly Americans like to pretend people think of the US as the best country in the world. They think this because they have never spoken to someone from outside the US except for the Mexicans they persecute, so they have an empty canvas to fill with all kinds of wild notions.
Politicians are generally worldly enough to know it's not true, but that doesn't win elections.
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propaganda that you have to work 6 days a week without holidays and unpaid overtime or your work ethic is bad
Is it true that people celebrate American work practices?!
Nope! Seems like a dystopian nightmare to my Swedish eyes.
In some countries they do, in others they don't.
From my own experience in Software Development, in England they definitelly do, whilst in Portugal they kinda do mainly because management culture is so horribly, horribly bad and people do not naturally tend to be organised and properly prepare, so overruns and not taking in account risks of problems and delays in time estimates are all the norm (so overwork is not driven by a "work hard" culture like in England but by constant fuckups leading to overwork leading to even worse fuckups because tired people make even more mistakes)
(Mind you, the management culture in England is hardly good, but it's still better than in Portugal).
On the other had, I've also worked in The Netherlands were I've only ever once seen a work culture similar to the US, in a small web-development company (and I killed that crap in the projects I was involved in, to great satisfaction of the junior devs) and as half of my career there was as a freelancer, I've worked there in maybe 5 or 6 different places in 8 years so I saw more work environments than normal.
One experience that stuck with me in The Netherlands was working for a bank and being still there at 6:05 PM on a Friday by my own initiative to finish something and the project manager coming over and literally telling me "Go home, you're not supposed to be here" even against my own insistence that I just wanted to finish something. I've worked in or for Finance at one time or another in all those countries and what's typical in that industry elsewhere is the exact opposite of what happened to me in The Netherlands.
I all fairness and having worked in The Netherland, Britain and Portugal, the Dutch work ethic in almost all places I worked there was miles ahead of that in the other countries and that was something which got reflected in their vastly superior productivity (at least in Software Development).
From what I've read and actual Americans I've met over the years, that work ethic is pretty much in a different universe compared to the US.
I reckon it starts with the idea in The Netherlands that a manager that has lots of people still working around after 6 PM is a bad manager (who can't plan properly hence their time estimates or resourcing are frequently wrong hence the need for overtime) which is almost the opposite of those other countries were a manager who has lots of people still working around after 6 PM is considered a good manager because they make their employees "work hard".
Management in The Netherlands tends to be results-driven (i.e. more results delivered), whilst in the other places it's work-driven (i.e. more work done) which you can see illustrated pretty well in the British tendency to celebrate "working hard", and if you think about it work-driven metrics promoted the very opposite of efficiency.
Many of us pretend to, in the hopes of advancement
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I opened this post thinking the woman in question was some high level C suite worker. Nope she was supposedly working in fast food. This is beyond dystopian. You mean to tell me this fucker walked in a fast food place saw a toddler and an infant behind the counter, recognized that the mom must have just given birth and thought "Yup this is inspiring." I'm honestly speechless. This might be one of the few instances I've ever seen where everyone responding is on the same page with their reaction and rage.
Not to mention this interaction happened ON MOTHERS DAY
Christ on sale, that makes this infinitely worse.
I once went to work at a pizza place. I was the prep/opener and would be there in the morning for 2 - 3 hours before anyone else came in or their were customers. I was sick but didn't realize it--I had been working for hours but had not yet spoken once that day. I finally opened up and tried to greet the first customer, and basically something sounding like a stepped on frog came out. This lady goes "OH MY GOD I AM GOING TO KEEP COMING BACK HERE JUST BECAUSE OF YOU!" and I'm thinking to myself that I couldn't understand why you would want food from a sick person.
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Are we sure this isn't Poe's Law in effect? This post reads like a troll that people have taken seriously.
IDK this looks like standard LinkedIn crap, I believe it genuine
A tone-deaf oligarch is emotionally stirred...
It's disturbing to hear that there are people like this CEO who think this way. But it's important to share such news. Thank you for posting this.
I feel bad for that working mother - as I do for so many struggling people.
You're going to be disturbed quite a lot. There are a lot of CEOs like that out there. For example, Jeff Bozos thinks that the Amazon warehouse workers are lazy. These sociopaths would be crying with joy if an employee died in the process of making them an additional fifty bucks of profit.
I mostly feel bad for the baby. I hope the dad is able to create the bonding that a newborn requires
Yeah, it’s better than starving to death or being evicted, but this is certainly not ideal for a newborn. It’s not the mom’s fault, but it still has an effect.
Queue the Shrek Gingerbread Man "You're a mmonster!"
Yeah, dude. Send that woman home and give her parental leave! WTF!