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[–] [email protected] 102 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Jealousy is just envious because it didn't make it into the Seven Deadly Sins.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Envy is the emotion behind coveting.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Covetousness is the primary motivation behind adultery.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

The word theory has become (or at best is becoming) a clusterfuck of whatever, much like the word literally.

And we don't even have (normal/easy/exact) replacements for those words.
Those words were already the scientific terms for nerds. But normies normied them into normedom, literally theorised into a fuck.

(Also unfortunately Im a normie, but that doesn't mean I can't bitch about it)

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I like the word "model", I think it's a better fit even. We're modeling reality. Some models turn out to be shit, while others are well tested giving confidence that they mimic reality well.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

But isn't model used differently in different disciplines?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

~~Some~~ Most models turn out to be shit

Ftfy

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

All models are shit. Some of them are useful tho

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Every model is wrong. Some are useful.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

"But that's just a hypothesis...a GAME hypothesis."

...I'd sub to that channel

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

That entire universe of channels is more accurately described as "whatever" hypothesis.

I kinda wonder how they're doing with the new hosts. Not enough to check, but it's more than 0.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Read the other day that there actually isn't any official distinction. It's just colloquially used that way in some scientific circles but definitely not all. Probably not by etymologists.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Normally, I'm all for language changing over time. If some word is used a certain way, so beit. But not here. Not in a case where people can end up saying dumb shit like "Evolution is just a theory." I will physically fight people on that, If need be.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

I remember seeing somewhere that the "colloquial" usage is actually the original and that the scientific community is the one that changed it. I do agree that the evolution argument is stupid but it's hard to blame the non scientific populace for not knowing the distinction. The evolution denier just don't have a lot else to stand on.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Evolution is just a theory

And so is gravity, and the concept of colors.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Could you explain the difference to me? 🙏

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In physics we call some results "laws" and some "theories." The difference has absolutely nothing to do with our certainty in the validity of the results.

Newton's Laws of motion are called that because they can be written as concise mathematical equations, and allof the content is there. Einstein's Theory of special relativity is just as valid, and even contains Newton's Laws as a special case, but the content of the theory can't be written in simple, concise equations. There are several equations included in special relativity, but they do not represent the entire content. For example, the most important statement of the theory cannot be written in equation form at all: "The measured speed of light in a vacuum will be the same for all observers in inertial reference frames, regardless of the relative speed of their reference frame."

Darwin's Theory of Evolution likewise cannot be written in concise statements (mathematical or otherwise), but our certainty in its validity is no less than in Newton's Laws.

Another important subtlety: I was careful to say that we are certain of the validity. People who don't know better are fond of saying that Newton's Laws are wrong. This is a fallacy. Scientific laws and theories can only be valid or not, they can never be true.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

A law describes what happens, a theory explains why. The law of gravity says that if you drop an item, it will fall to the ground. The theory of relativity explains that the "fall" occurs due to the curvature of space time.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I was referring to the difference between a theory and a hypothesis.

Theorem would also be interesting to add to the mix.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Science can never answer "why." In your example, the question why is just moved, from "why does it fall?" to "why does mass distort space-time?" In both cases physics just describes what happens.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (10 children)

But that is why it happens. Causality in most certainly something that can be discerned scientifically.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I appreciate your passion for scientific literacy - it's crucial for combating misinformation. However, I'd like to share some perspectives that might broaden our understanding of scientific knowledge and how it develops.

First, it's worth noting that the distinction between "theory" and "hypothesis" isn't as clear-cut as we might think. In "The Scientific Attitude," Stephen McIntyre argues that what truly defines science isn't a rigid set of rules, but rather an ethos of critical inquiry and evidence-based reasoning. This ties into the "demarcation problem" in philosophy of science - the challenge of clearly defining what is and isn't science. Despite this ongoing debate, science continues to be a powerful tool for understanding our world.

Your stance seems to align with positivism, which views scientific knowledge as objective and verifiable. However, other epistemological approaches exist. Joseph A. Maxwell's work on critical realism offers a nuanced view that acknowledges both the existence of an objective reality and the role of human interpretation in understanding it.

Maxwell defines validity in research not just as statistical significance, but as the absence of plausible alternative explanations. This approach encourages us to constantly question and refine our understanding, rather than treating any explanation as final.

Gerard Delanty's "Philosophies of Social Science" provides a historical perspective on how our conception of science has evolved. Modern views often see science as a reflexive process, acknowledging the role of the researcher and societal context in shaping scientific knowledge.

Larry McEnery's work further emphasizes this point, describing how knowledge emerges from ongoing conversations within communities of researchers. What we consider "knowledge" at any given time is the result of these dynamic processes, not a static, unchanging truth.

Understanding these perspectives doesn't diminish the power or importance of science. Instead, it can make us more aware of the complexities involved in scientific inquiry and more resistant to overly simplistic arguments from science deniers.

By embracing some psychological flexibility around terms like "theory" and "hypothesis," we're not opening the door to pseudoscience. Rather, we're acknowledging the nuanced nature of scientific knowledge and the ongoing process of inquiry that characterizes good science.

What do you think about these ideas? I'd be interested to hear your perspective and continue this conversation.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Descriptive linguists unite! Words evolve and that's okay. Really science should pivot away and start calling more proven theories a different word if they're upset about the confusion.

The etymology of the word theory comes from a word with a meaning closer to "to look at or speculate" so even in that sense science kind of hijacked a word that was further from the modern scientific understanding of the word "theory" and descriptively transformed it themselves for use in their community. And that's okay too.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've ranted about this so much to people close to me. Scientific community just needs to adopt a new word like you say, theory is a lost battle

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I accept it in colloquial discourse. I'm not happy about it, and I will smartass at everyone who isn't asking, but I accept that I'm probably fighting a losing battle. But in science, it's absolutely non-negotiable for words to mean what they mean, and not their own opposite.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Various fields have to adapt their terms all the time. For example, "idiot", "moron", and "mental retardation" were all official medical terms. Then they got used as an insult by the population at large, and got so bad that the medical field had to abandon them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Medical terms being used as an insult is a very specific (and problematic) case. And they also weren't turned into their own opposite. They were equalized with stupidity.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Tell that to conventional current vs electron flow. Science is ever updating with new information and the words we use to describe it will change over time as well, but I get what you mean. Prescriptive linguistics especially in formal settings like scientific writing is helpful for clear communication.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Counterpoint:

The language of science is specific because it is beneficial to have standards that allow explicit specificity. Scientific linguistics evolve differently from the way colloquial linguistics evolves due to different motivations and this difference is okay.

The real problem isn't that scientific language is too strict but that we gatekeep scientific participation in every form, preventing most people from participating in such a way that scientific communication is not confusing. This is in addition to most scientific publications being unnecessarily written in inaccessible language. Specificity is helpful, but the excessive use of jargon and buzz-words to make yourself sound smarter through obtuse language is unhelpful for everyone involved. When jargon cannot be avoided, define it. If you cannot define it, reference a definition.

Clarity and accessibility in all scientific communication is the key to understanding.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

While theory and hypothesis are not the same if you are talking about science, in general everyday use theory is used as a synonym.

In wiktionary: 5. A hypothesis or conjecture. [from 18th c.]

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

But I'm a wannabe scientist, don't come here with your colloquial language explanations

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

When someone uses “hesitant”

When they mean “reluctant”

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is my biggest pet peeve and I will die on this hill.

Yes, I drive my family nuts.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Yes, they are the Deez family, and yes they have nuts. Enough doxing.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

How about when they say "a phenomena"?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I suggest we use new words.

Hypothesis - the great pondering
Theory - mystical workings of the orb

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Nobody in the history of humanity has been asked how pedantic they are.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

How pedantic are you?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Just a joke. It's just a way to set up the joke. It doesn't make sense, practically, but it isn't supposed to be part of the funny bit. Or it is... It could be, in an ironic way.

🤷‍♂️ Take it with a pinch of salt.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Me when people treat theory as if its concrete fact that they themselves penned and proved.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

And then say "it's just a theory" to completely dismiss something they don't like.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

This is a personal attack.

Edit: who's downvoting jokes in this community? 😂

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Or conjecture

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

English is a juggernaut truck, it goes on regardless

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