"We can't make an affordable Tesla unless we come up with something that would make it too expensive."
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Chinese EV it is, then!
Until we tax them ridiculously (50-100%) to keep things "fair" for the american auto makers that refuse to build anything smaller than a chevorlet suburban.
Along with European, Japanese, and South Korean automakers. Nobody is building EVs this cheap because no other country's government is dumping hundreds of billions of dollars into selling them well below their actual cost.
Aww that's so sad. It's a shame nobody has the economic wealth and power to absolutely dominate the market if they put a equal amount of money into EVs. I guess we'll just have to keep spending our money on the military
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Those automakers are at least trying to compete by building small cars. I see more ads for electric f150s than i see for compact cars in north america.
The profit margins are insane compared to sedans.
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Correct, because Uncle Sam is spending hundreds of billions of dollars to make oil and gas as cheap as possible while automakers spend bullions every year on stock buybacks. America's poor investments are all China's fault.
You think European, Japanese, and South Korean automakers are American companies? That's weird.
Do you really think BYD and other Chinese state-owned auto manufacturers have found some secret sauce that nobody else can figure out allowing them to somehow build a car cheaper than anyone else in the world, or do you think it's more likely that the state is paying for them to have artificially low prices?
Furthermore, let's imagine the rest of the world matches these subsidies, what is your end goal here? Are you wanting everyone in the US to dump their old car in a parking lot and go out and buy a new one every year like people used to do with smartphones? That's not exactly good for the environment and is just consumerism on steroids.
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Every country subsidized their auto industry, it's just that all the benefit goes directly to ceos except in china apparently.
Ford received 9 billion in June.
Ford received a loan to use toward building new factories for EV production. In China, Ford would owned by the government and funded with taxpayer dollars directly.
Damn, sounds like nationalizing an industry leads to lower costs and cheaper products.
Sure, when that rationalization comes with lax environmental regulations and zero worker protections along with heavy subsidies that expire just after their last competitors close up shop. What are you left with then?
It's better to keep private companies in charge of environmental regulations and worker protection, they will self-regulate.
God knows they won't mouth fuck us the moment they have a monopoly at least.
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This is why hes suddenly against it, theres no way Chinese EVs are coming stateside, and the US is even leveraging Mexico to keep them out of Mexico too. He doesn't want to make the smaller profit margin thing everyone wants, because the government is just going to ban what everyone wants instead.
I so badly just want a tiny electric vehicle. I don't travel much. Just need it to go around town and maybe a town over.
Do you need windows? Renault has a couple of small ones, the Twizy and Zoe, in order of size. Dunno if they're still available. Else in my country they have the BYD dolphin and Smart One Plus.
Americans aren't allowed to buy BYD personal vehicles...
Yay for freedom
We have to take the regulation we can get, okay? Not everyone can have legal systems that "make sense" like you get in them skandinavyvian hellholes. Catch me dead in a country where you can just assume the tap water is potable...
Or import European EVs that aren't pre-approved. No Renault Twizy.
Nissan Leaf?
A used Bolt is pretty cheap.
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Musk is a fascist bigot. I wouldn’t drive a Tesla if it was given to me for free. Just walking up to it and seeing that T would piss me off. In a way, I’m glad he refuses to build a cheap EV.
it's easier to raise tariffs so that efficiently produced foreign electric cars are just as expensive. God bless America
Oh, Musk is way too powerful and totally nuts, he's gone off the deep end. Also he's gone full asshole, there's hardly anything redeemable about him these days.
That said, I'd drive any car that was given to me for free, and I won't pretend otherwise.
Also, despite Musk, Tesla has done amazing things for the auto industry, I'm extremely pleased to see this shift to EVs across the board.
Oh, I’d take a free car; but instead of driving it I’d turn around and sell it immediately. Then I’d buy something that wasn’t a badge of shame.
As someone who works in the industry, and done plenty of work for Tesla, I can create a far greater list of all the things they've fucked up in the industry, including electrification.
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How can somebody just shout "they're lying" to get their stock back up and get away with it?
Fuck musk.
he's still building the car. it's just the price will be double or more.
Leon's a leech.
There's at least one sure-fire way to remove leeches.
Expect shit they try to bury in the election news cycle
They still don't have fully autonomous 100k cars!
I'm guessing that to him, the only market for the car will be for deliveries. Fleet use. He isn't interested in consumer sales.
Well I guess he must know about some secret point to killing his own company.