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I'm tired of guessing which country the author is from when they use cup measurement and how densely they put flour in it.

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[–] [email protected] 115 points 4 months ago (13 children)

i cant imagine this would be unpopular for anyone who actually bakes.

its so frustrating not having exact amounts for what is essentially chemistry.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I wanted to believe my opinion is popular yet recipes I've seen are almost in volume and I don't know why.

Baking is chemistry for sure.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

My total guess is weighing scales used to be expensive / inaccessible for the common home baker and one of the first popular recipe books thus used volume, became wildly popular, and indirectly taught a generation of home bakers that baking recipes are by volume, not weight.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (6 children)

In my opinion every recipe should be in weight unless there's a good reason to put it in volume. The idea of washing half a dozen individual little measuring cups to prepare one recipe is absurd. Slap a bowl on your scale and go to town.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I feel like this is just a remnant of a time where a container with a bunch of lines on it was cheaper than a sufficiently accurate scale. It might just go away over 1-2 more generations.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It's not chemistry as much as chemistry is chemistry.

Like 1/4 cup of sugar being like 2% off isn't going to matter.

Then you want to weigh out your teaspoon of baking powder? I guess you'll need a small scale made for such tiny amounts to go along with your larger one. Hope you like cooking taking longer with more little things to clean.

Doing it all by weight is a waste of time and something no one with a real amount of experience cooking would bother with. Where your butter comes from is more important than how much of a weight difference can be from measuring out 3 tablespoons of it compared to weighing it out.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Hope you like cooking taking longer with more little things to clean.

You pour ingredient 1 into the bowl up to X grams. You push the tare button on the scale and pour ingredient 2 into the bowl up to Y grams. Repeat as necessary.

You end up with less shit to clean and less time wasted, not more.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

I can't get my octogenarian mother to bake by weight, but she's certainly not on Lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (13 children)

Use non-American recipes.

The rest of the world does this. And guess what, 1 milliliter of water is exactly 1 gram, unlike stupid ounces.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

A fluid ounce of water is an ounce of weight

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Just because no one in your life cares enough about your niche opinion to actually have an opinion does not make that an "unpopular opinion." When your opinion is the opinion of hobbyists, professionals, and elites alike, it's certain not unpopular, even if it is niche.

You're certainly right in your opinion, and that's the point of bitching at you.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

OP is probably from Western Europe, where a kitchen scale is common. Ain't nobody in the US got a fancy kitchen scale.

The solution to their problem is use mL for volume.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Ain't nobody in the US got a fancy kitchen scale.

Lots of us have them. (Well, basic scales which weigh a tenth of a gram.) They're useful when weighing compressible dry ingredients like flour and brown sugar, and viscous wet ingredients like molasses and corn syrup. They're also helpful when you're multiplying a recipe by a factor that doesn't result in useful units; it's annoying to figure out how to measure out fractional cups that involve teaspoons.

They also help with portion control if you're watching calories.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Technically oils and milk are lighter per volume than water so the mL to g conversion doesn't really work. mL only equals g of water, specifically.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 months ago (11 children)

Flour's ability to absorb water changes depending on what variety of wheat and where it was grown and what the weather was like during the season. Weight is also just a guideline. Baking is not an exact science.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Pretty sure any pastry chef will strongly disagree with that. If anything, baking is the cooking activity most akin to an exact science. The amounts need to be carefully measured, the temperatures need to be exactly right (e.g. Italian merengue), the baking time needs to be correct to the second for some dishes (lava cake).

Yes, the measures can change based on the flour or its substitutes (ground pistachio for example), but the processes involved require an equal amount of precision.

A lot of chefs call cooking an art, but baking a science.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I am a former pastry chef and baker. You'd think it's very precise work but it's actually mostly intuition based on experience. You know the recipes and tweak them as you go. Also the batch sizes are many times bigger than a home cook ever makes so a cup of flour more or less usually makes no difference to the end product. With leavening agents the margin of error is smaller obviously.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Lol. Dude, you're laughably wrong about this. Omg, I could just imagine trying to get lava cake out to the second or it being no good. Not even talking about how much temp, elevation, and humidity effect things to make "perfect recipes" non existent.

Also, "oh no. Your nutmeg is now 6 weeks old. You'll have to add an extra 0.9% of it to your recipe"

Cupcakes aren't like making Walter Whites blue meth, Hun.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Baking is not an exact science

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I am currently pursuing engineering PhD working on bakery products.

Sometimes baking is indeed an exact science :D

It's just that the typical home baker has to guess and assume a lot of things. But then, a chance of failure is naturally expected.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This isn't unpopular.

Anyone who learns to bake quickly learns this.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Anyone who learns to bake knows that's silly. You don't need to try and weigh out a teaspoon of vanilla or that 1/4 cup of sugar weighs exactly X amount.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If you bake regularly then this is a popular opinion. I generally won’t bother with a recipe that does not have the weights.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago

Downvoted for popular opinion.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

What, I'm supposed to use my kitchen scale for something other than cocaine?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

A cup of cocaine please.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Scale, fancy. I just keep going until the feelings disappear.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

You're doing it right. The scale is for selling not measuring doses.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Cleanup is so much easier also. I don’t have to use a measuring spoon or cup for ingredients—I just dispense them into the bowl until I hit the correct number.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Overshoot? Then what, scrape the flour out from the sugar?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You weigh ingredients in one bowl and pour into your mixing bowl. You still end up washing less

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

IMO anything sold by weight should be measured by weight in a recipe.

I could have an exception for things under 20g, which scales seem to get wrong a lot. I can do spoons, but not cups.

Also: Metric only. A tablespoon is anywhere from 13g to 20g depending on who you're talking to. A gram is always a gram.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

I am a proficient baker and I can get behind this.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

My kitchen scale won’t measure below one gram, and a lot of things (spices and flavorings, mostly) are used in amounts below one gram.

So I can either dirty up some spoons, or go buy a second scale that only gets used for the small stuff…

In general I agree, of course, but there definitely is a use case for volumetric measuring spoons.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago
  • 2 cups of flour
  • 1oz of water
  • 50g of salt
[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The only exception to this should be militers/liters. Because if you have to use, as example, 1l of milk, this would, if you want to be exact, be about 1.05kg

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

So go to Europe.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

All dry ingredients should for sure and they are where I am from. I still measure them in a special cup in the end that converts different ingredients from grams into volume but I wouldn't know what to do with a "cup of flour" in the instructions either.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Same. Is the cups thing an american problem (again)?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (20 children)

In the civilized world, they are. Except for liquids, but that's a given.

This stupid "How many grams is a f-ing cup of again?" is a pain in the a...

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

You can get your panties in a twist over accuracy (it doesnt matter as much as you think it does) but what youre really mad it is American cultural hegemony. So yeah good luck yelling in to the void I guess.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, weight is more accurate when you have scales however if you are doing something on the fly or don't have scales then volume gets you better results than trying to guess the weight.

My biggest problem with volume recipes is that very often they don't abide to the 250ml cup but use slightly larger or smaller cups, which causes variations. There is also the caveat of not having a measuring cup available just as I previously mentioned not always having scales available.

With all that said, ideally recipes should include both weight and volume measurements at all times.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

The book "flour water salt yeast" is awesome for a lot of reasons, one of them is that all of the recipes are in grams, us volumes, and bakers percentages. I primarily use the grams measurements, but the bakers percentages makes it much easier to scale recipes up or down

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