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[–] nul9o9@lemmy.world 87 points 4 months ago (4 children)
[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 29 points 4 months ago

Come to New York, where there was an obvious cohesive art deco style that was completely trashed by developers because they’re fucking soulless pieces of human ganarte yeah even your developer dad or mom are trash

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

I fell in love with it watching Batman: The Animated Series.

[–] Brodysseus@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

The Charleston song kinda slaps too

[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Way better than art nouveau, any day.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Mucha Stares Intensify

[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 78 points 4 months ago (2 children)

My comrade, we are nearly half way in. The Charleston is not coming back.

[–] NakariLexfortaine@lemm.ee 39 points 4 months ago

There's still time.

DANCE HARDER, DAMMIT!

[–] SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Some Fortnite animator is going to hear you

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wasn't the Charleston one of the first dances in Fortnite? I've never played it, but I could have sworn I saw stuff about it being in the game a long time ago.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 4 months ago

You're think of the Carlton, but at this point it's probably in there too.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 42 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Literally none of those things are coming back, where does the person who made this live?

Like the only thing coming back from the 20’s is the rise of fascism and the Great Depression.

[–] finderscult@lemmy.ml 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If you're not dressing as a flapper what are you even doing with your life. Get with the times, it's never been more acceptable to be a cute little flapper regardless of gender. I will die on this hill, or by a novel strain of influenza that gets blamed on an unrelated country, either way we're going full rip-roaring 20s doll.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

People should give Kansas a LOT more shit than they do.

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago

Why would you die on that hill? You're alone up there lol

Dress how you want, but the point was that virtually nobody else is doing it

[–] loonsun@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 months ago

The original comics has the great depression there instead of Anarco Syndicalism

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 5 points 4 months ago

https://www.gocomics.com/shen-comix/2019/11/15

It was originally posted in 2019. Joke of course being that things associated with the 1920s would be relevant again in the 2020s.

Comic then shared as a meme with the 3rd panel being replaced with other panels. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/things-were-bringing-back-in-the-2020s

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 40 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Crushing poverty and the threat of starvation

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

And the resulting fascism, of course. 😮‍💨

[–] menas@lemmy.wtf 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Unionize fellllloooooooows

[–] goatbeard@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

SWE union when?

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Charleston never went anywhere. You'll still see the step all over in other dances from breakdancing to pop singers. It's a foundational dance step like the t step. Which makes sense since it goes with many things. https://youtu.be/90TzDXjWTdo

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

That flapper is way too curvy.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

Who says that a flapper can't be curvy?

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Make her curvier!

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

We need the FDA, department of education, disaster response and infrastructure. Sorry.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We can have regulatory institutions while still democratizing the economy. We don't need capitalist-neo-feudalism to work together to protect public health, improve our educational and build infrastructure.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I'm arguing against anarchy, and I think you know that.

[–] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 43 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No, you're arguing against what you think anarchy is

And your preconception is false.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

What's my preconception? If you're saying it's false, you need to be able to say what it is. Otherwise your response is without value.

[–] Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What's anarchy? If you're saying you're against it, you need to be able to say what it is. Otherwise your response is without value.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You, and, and anyone can freely discuss the definition of anarchy because it's publicly available.

My preconception is not. That's why you're wrong.

Have the day you deserve.

[–] spicysoup@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

lol you are so bad at arguing and critical thinking

[–] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 4 months ago

Anarchy is whatever that HBO series says it is

[–] voldage@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You did imply nonexistence of regulatory institutions - and, to dig a bit deeper into that, anything that would sufficiently fulfill their role - in your first comment and contextualized that to anarcho syndicalism in your second, which reveals that your intent was to argue against anarcho syndicalism on the basis of it necessarily being devoid of some sort regulatory body or it's equivalent. Even without being an anarcho syndicalist I know that to be a bogus argument, and so should you, unless you don't know or understand it's propositions.

I'd compare that to a medieval farmhand claiming that the country can not survive without a king, while surviving (barely, sure, but that's not the point) without any of the institutions you've mentioned and disproving your claim completely.

Just a jab at the argument, not at you, please don't take it too seriously. Radical changes are scary and because of that they seem impossible to attempt and absurd to discuss, but you need to remember we only have that democracy thing for a few hundred years now, and the shift to it was very radical. Sometimes it's good to consider alternatives to systems that yeld subpar results with very weak promises of stability that are betrayed every 7 years, because you just might find the new neat thing like democracy, or at very least broaden your perspective.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 1 points 4 months ago

I'm free to take this seriously because it's a serious topic. Don't try to cover your butt by saying, "I was just kidding," or "don't take this seriously." If you mean what you say, be accountable and stand up for it.

You're jabbing me, you say so yourself. I'm not interested in trading more barbs so I'm disengaging. Good luck with effecting change.

[–] finderscult@lemmy.ml 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Anarchy isn't the complete lack of all organization and cooperation, especially anarchosyndicalism.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure you'd agree that anarco syndicalism is a strategy unfamiliar to most people around the world. I'm sure you read the news often enough to know that people don't know how their own system works, let alone one as exotic as anarcocynicalism.

So instead of crossing your arms and demanding to know why somebody doesn't know this, you could instead educate them. Provide a link. Give an explanation. Help that person bridge the gap between what they know (for example, I used the word anarchy in my response, so you can safely assume that I'm familiar with that term) and what you know.

This helps people move towards your goal, because now they have tools to begin doing the work.

Or you can stand there, cross because people don't understand, and you've done nothing to educate them, with no forward motion and just a series of complaints. It's up to you. I wish you the best of luck making your choice.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 4 months ago

They've been trying, you're ignoring it and pretending to be an injured party.

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

im not sure you know what you're arguing against based on this response tbh

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Very good clarifying follow up! The information you provided is really useful, especially considering a discussion is about a lack of information. Thanks for your input! Twice, by the way.

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

ahhh one of those "why did you invest low effort in responding to my low effort trolling" folks. It's not my job to educate everyone arguing in bad faith (or in blatantly incoherent ways if not in bad faith) about the thing they claim to know about. if you want that i recommend putting in the effort to be less entirely hostile to someone who gave you a pretty matter of fact rebuttal to your very low effort concern trolling. Otherwise, ask some questions. actually engage. eduction is a two way street but your side of it appears to be blockaded and actively hostile.

also like, at least skim a wikipedia page or something?

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm not trolling and I won't allow you to suggest that I am. Your failure to understand what I meant doesn't mean my efforts were deliberately obtuse; it means you failed to find understanding.

And I didn't say you're required to educate anyone. I said that if you want valuable discussion, changed opinions, or growth of any kind, you need to do the work to get there. You haven't done anything but make noise.

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 4 points 4 months ago

i have and will continue to suggest you are trolling mr reply guy. reread your participation here, and tell me again im just adding noise. cheers

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

im not sure you know what you're arguing against based on this response tbh

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 2 points 4 months ago

Very good clarifying follow up! The information you provided is really useful, especially considering a discussion is about a lack of information. Thanks for your input! Twice, by the way.

[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago

If I understand anarcho-syndicalism correctly, anarcho-syndicalism involves federalism.

[–] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 4 months ago
[–] Hupf@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago

c/penultimatepanel