Maintaining fashion standards (nb: hygiene is a separate issue) in an intellectual contest is so fucking stupid. Who decided jeans were less formal than khakis anyway?
this post was submitted on 29 Dec 2024
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Assholes trying to gatekeep the poors from their hobbies.
Come on now. This really isn't a high bar and it only applies to the top tournaments. They will allow any legwear that is not jeans. Literally every professional sports has some form of equipment requirement and chess is probably one of the cheapest.
If you think world championship contenders can't be expected to afford normal trousers, what do you think athletes spend on running shoes, baseball gloves and ice skates?
The difference is you need ice skates to skate on ice, you need baseball gloves to protect your hands, and while you don’t explicitly need running shoes you generally benefit from wearing a proper shoe for running if you are competing at a certain level. There is a function behind every one of your other examples.
What fucking pants you wear during chess is utterly meaningless unless you specifically want to create an air of superiority over people who do not dress “formally” (whatever that means). It is merely a means to exclude people who do not meet an arbitrary standard of appearance, which historically has just been a way to oppress lower socioeconomic classes and minorities. Fuck meaningless dress codes and props to him for standing his ground
There are Olympic runners who compete barefoot, you should be able to play chess without pants!
It should be mandatory because it’ll make the buttplug check easier.
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This really isn't a high bar
Just an unnecessary one, yes.
what do you think athletes spend on running shoes, baseball gloves and ice skates?
Last I checked, chess isn't played from the trousers. Though maybe that would make it more fun, I don't know.
I play trouser chess all the time
Literally every professional sports has some form of equipment requirement and chess is probably one of the cheapest.
For real? You realize that those requirements are utilitarian, right? And if there are any relics leftover from old days, or bullshit rules that aren't utilitarian, then they're just as dumb as the OP situation.
Equating sports equipment to a dress code is incredibly disingenuous and you know it.
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Chess wants to maintain an air of elitism.
I could absolutely see a dresscode being enforced heavily if it was seen by the opponent during the match, then a choice of color or style could be done to mess with the opponent, but they sit at a table, the opponent can't see his pants, as long as the pants would be acceptable for an IT guy in an office, they should be acceptable here
if it was seen by the opponent during the match, then a choice of color or style could be done to mess with the opponent
Somehow I doubt a loud tie is banned. This is just arbitrary shit made up by petty tyrants.
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The article I read yesterday about it was skewed a little different.
He was out for lunch with a friend and went straight to the tournament after and forgot he was wearing jeans. He offered to change them for the next day but they said he had to do it now, at which point he said it was a matter of principal and walked off. I know I have no idea how the "societal elite" live but I don't carry an extra set of pants on me when I go places.
As someone who accidentally ended up on a management level web cam meeting with a "death and taxes being the only thing you can count on" shirt, I understand not realizing what you are wearing in the morning. I have since made changes to what I allow myself to wear on working days
Wearing the shirt backwards would have worked in a pinch, unless the back had a guillotine and said "Eat the Rich".
Here I am designing tshirts.
I very well could have run to my room and change the shirt. But it was a call from my boss so I answered and he said we were hoping on a call to discuss this crisis and I said ok. It wasn't until I looked at my picture on zoom that I nice what I was wearing and at that point we were 20 minutes into the call. Anyone paying attention would have already seen the shirt and I figured it would be stranger for me to stop the camera and run and change the shirt.
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I don’t know. He’s an adult. He knew the rules. Rules are worthless if they’re applied unevenly. You can argue a dress code is dumb but the time to argue that is not right before your match starts. He agreed to the rules by signing up, he can follow the rules.
And, I’m not rich but I’m sure I or a friend/family could have fetched a pair of pants.
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"Two simple words: I, forgot. I'm sorry, I forgot to pay my taxes. I forgot armed robbery was illegal." - Steve Martin
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The dress code is designed to ensure fairness and professionalism sounds like school officials saying we take the safety of our students very seriously whenever they've done something really stupid.
While i respect your sentiments, if you're active in the chess community, you'll know that Magnus' actions are being shunned by many. The players typically get to vote on the dress code, and they are well informed beforehand about what that decision is.
The real reason Magnus' left the tournament was to stir up some drama and publicity that he can then use to promote his Freestyle Chess tournament.
Also jeans better hide the cheese computer butt plugs.
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Relevant links:
- FIDE statement regarding Magnus Carlsen’s dress code breach
- Statement by FIDE President on dress-code rules for Rapid and Blitz Championships
- FIDE dress code
Emphasis on the third link, on what's not allowed: sneakers, jeans, t-shirts. Under the claim that it's "to maintain the high standards of the FIDE World Rapid & Blitz Championships"... yeah, nah, non sequitur.
And more importantly it shows that the dress code in question is NOT about decency, or preventing cheating, or not distracting other players; it's all about "if you dress casually we're going to be assumptive trash and assume that you don't take the competition seriously." No wonders Carlsen walked away from it.
The NBA requires players to suit up when arriving at a game. Some MLB teams require pretty strict dress codes (famously the Yankees and facial hair).
Organized sports can be weird to say the least.
Note: since I don't watch basketball or baseball, I had to dig for further info. As such take what I say with a grain of salt.
...they sound equally as silly and arbitrary as FIDE's dress code. In special, apparently the NBA dress code (when arriving at a game, as you said; inside the game it's another can of worms) was created to target hip hop clothing, associating it with crime; this is clearly prejudice.
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What a blunder from the champ.
Edit: This is the most simultaneously upvoted and downvoted comment I have had on Lemmy. It appears that so far that more than half of voters either missed the “blunder” chess joke or they got the joke and audibly groaned. Understandable either way.
It's a bigger blunder for FIDE...they get headlines now that they kicked possibly the current most famous player in chess over a dress code violation that was not in the least distracting to other players.
He didn't show up in a T-shirt and jeans, he wore a blazer and a collared shirt.
They just look follish for digging their heels in
It sure does put FIDE in a bind.
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Did he shit himself or something? What was wrong with the jeans he was wearing?
Against dress code, is what the article I read yesterday said. Even though you can wear slacks made to look like jeans, as long as they are not denim they are fine.
So it sounds like there was nothing wrong with his pants then
They were denim. Denim, he was there to play chess not herd cattle!
Carlsen has been a giant child the last few years.
The sooner Caruana gains 30 rating points and replaces him as #1, the better.
I don't care if fide are in the right or wrong, this is the newest in a line of unprofessional behaviour by the former world champ.
We're basically living in both the Fischer and Kasparov timelines at the same time
The grandmaster said he had offered to change his trousers for the next day, but was fined and told he needed to change immediately.
Who is being childish and unprofessional? Fining and kicking someone out over pants (and shoes) is the height of pettiness to me. He sounds like someone who just didn't care about it, and that's fine. If you don't like the rules, leave. And he did.
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PR bullshit. It’s not a new rule, he did this to get people to pay attention to some other tournament that no-one would have given a shit about otherwise.
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Too much drama with this guy...
I'm not into chess, I'm into pool, and when people like this guy make noise around pool instead of shooting pool matches fair and square, I stop watching.
Same reason I stopped watching John McEnroe tennis matches back in the days: I'm interested in the sport, not the drama.
If wearing jeans is the worst drama he is part of he seems like a great guy.
Lol what? Its the other way around. He just showed up normal and they made a big deal about nothing
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Let’s sign up for a tournament that has a dress code and then NOT follow the dress code. Then let’s complain that the tournament people are jerks because they didn’t let someone ignore the dress code.
Down vote me.
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