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[–] lazylion_ca 167 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Even the people who pay for insurance don't have rights either.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Americans have eaten at the garbage pale of ideology for so long, they genuinely believe "rights" really are God Given and self-executing. What does a "right" to health care get you without a public health care system?

Who overrules the hospital administrators that would rather shovel you onto the curb than have the physicians in their employee extend you care? Who overrules the AMA when it caps the number of licenses to provide or schools to issue those licenses or lobbies to limit the number of medical centers capable of providing care?

Health care has to come from somewhere. Doctors need training. Offices need equipment. X-Ray machines need electricity. Patients need a place they can go to receive care. As folks from the UK to Cuba to Gaza have discovered, if you're denied the resources to provide the health care you have a right to, it isn't worth much.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The obvious answer is that Medicare for All would be a great place to start in the USA. If not that, then laws limiting the ridiculous profits of insurance companies and regulating payouts would be another option, combined with some kind of Medicare for the poor that is better than the current Medicaid bullshit they have available.

Most of all, ensuring that doctors rather than insurance companies are deciding the care plan would save many lives per year.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (11 children)

Insurance companies should be forced to be nonprofits.

Edit: I mean we should have MfA but at the least hospitals and insurance companies should be nonprofit.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

As folks from the UK to Cuba to Gaza have discovered, if you're denied the resources to provide the health care you have a right to, it isn't worth much.

Fun fact: two of those three have far better outcomes than the US for profit system and the last one likely would if not for the US government supplying the bombs and political cover to destroy it.

Basically all you've managed to prove is that you're ignorant about the quality and availability of health care in other countries and will compare for profit healthcare to genocide and ethnic cleansing in order to make it look good.

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[–] [email protected] 97 points 2 months ago (49 children)

If everyone just said fuck it and stopped paying their insurance, it would crash not just those companies, but domino into taking out the entire stock market.

Like, these companies are worth so much, and they invest in others and people invest in them. If their entire revenue stream is stopped at once that's it.

Which makes it kind of a nuclear option, one I've intentionally not mentioned and haven't seen anyone else either.

But the day may be coming

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Corporations mainly pay for health insurance. Imagine employee's reactions being told they were getting cut off. Not going to happen.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If the employee cancels their plan, the corp ain't going to keep paying.

I don't know why someone would read my comment and imagine I meant corporations should cancel their employees insurance...

But I think that's what happened here

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

We don't get to drop out of plans at a whim.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

Interesting idea, but you’d need to get employers on board. Many of whom are publicly traded companies.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Just wish the US would get a universal healthcare system like every freaking other developed country in this world. Will never happen. Ugh.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nah, the Republicans would rather see you spend twice as much per capita (the whole population!) to cover a third of the population via public insurance and then get you guys to then spend money on private insurance and then have to pay any time you need any care.

You know... Fiscal responsibility...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

To be fair Kamala was also against Medicare for All

EDIT: Y'all need to learn to Google basic shit before rage downvoting facts you don't like: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-kamala-harris-ditched-medicare-for-all/

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Ah yes, the two parties. Republicans and Kamala.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Pretty sure she supports it, as she did 4 years ago, but her campaign told her not to show support for it in order to court the Republicans that were on the fence.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

but her campaign told her not to show support for it in order to court the Republicans that were on the fence.

Seems like they told her to do that with a lot of things.

womp womp.

I'm holding out hope that the Democrats decide to court Democrats, but based on the past few elections I don't have very high hopes.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Single payer healthcare is so complex to implement that only 22 of the 23 most developed countries in the world have done it.

The US system is grotesque.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

The US system is state sanctioned terrorism of the civilian population by the plutocracy, for profit.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 months ago

Ha ha ha. Pop pop pop.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

They do in other modern countries. Oh wait, except they don't have "uninsured" people. If your government can't guarantee you basic things like clean air and water, protection, health... what the fuck are you paying taxes for!?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago (2 children)

what the fuck are you paying taxes for!?

dead brown kids!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Dont forget the billionaires!

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

More lanes for more roads, because more lanes will definitely fix gridlock

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When the denying starts, the deposing starts.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Those who make peaceful reform impossible make violent revolution inevitable."

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

RFK Jr.'s Uncle is rolling in the grave

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago (3 children)

He really has talent in choosing all his picks. "Ummm who could be the worst person ever to fill this role?"

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Every one of those terrible picks has been a deliberate, careful choice to destabilize the country.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Except the NASA guy. He's probably pretty good. But his job is to funnel contracts (and therfore billions of dollars) to spacex.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Just think: you all did the right thing, holding your nose at the polls, voting for Fetterman to block Oz. And now you have both of them.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

Life, uh, finds a way...

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Isn't life already pay to play enough? How much blood can you get from a stone?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They're going to keep squeezing to find out.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago

Delay, deny, depose

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Under your plan, UnitedHealth’s revenue from Medicare Advantage would roughly double to $274 billion annually,” the Democrats wrote.

That's the point.

I'd like to see another outcome, like the government withdrawing their contracts due to fraud, but regulatory capture is strong here.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago

what he really meant is that non millionaires dont deserve world class health care

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

America Last. WTF, the Government of Putin wants an epidemic to break out. How many people in the red run welfare counties would be affected by Dr. Oz's plan? Indeed, a shit ton and they voted for it.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's neat watching lemmy's centrists acting like they object to the idea of letting people go bankrupt and die, in that order, for insurance companies' bottom lines.

Democrats killed the public option before a single Republican voted on the bill. Joe Lieberman was enough of a Democrat to run for VP, and you don't get to disown him just because he did what you wanted but don't want to admit wanting. And it's not like he did what every centrist wanted by his lonesome, either. Ben Nelson was instrumental in killing the public option.

Biden promised that he was going to revisit the public option. Like so much of what he promised, it was always a fucking lie.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Oz went on to explain that most people have misread the Constitution and Bill of rights, people can have life OR liberty OR the pursuit of happiness. Only the rich will get all three...

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

What a piece of shit.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

Considering that the majority of the GOP electorate is in the bottom-50% of incomes, this becomes very much a “leopards ate my face” moment.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Dr. Oz is a charlatan who's allowed to exist because the vitamin and supplement industry lobbied against FDA oversight and won.

He's the literal product of corruption.

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