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I hate everything about this, but the part I hate more than everything else is how 'normal' jails being rife with violence and abuse is just treated as a matter of fact, not as something that needs to be fixed.
“They tried to tell me he was afraid of the general population … but that’s part of jail,” he said in a recent interview. “That’s what makes you not want to go back, it being such a horrible experience.”
No it fucking shouldn't be, what the hell is wrong with these people?
we dont have a justice system. we have a revenge system. it all makes sense when you view it from its reality.
Well if we had reform oriented prisons we would run out of slave labor, duh. That's why it's in the constitution 🦅🦅
In Australia we don't have the slave workhouses you have in the states, but our justice system is still focused on retribution rather than rehabilitation.
Unsurprisingly, both countries started in part as British penal colonies for debtors and convicts.
Hurt people hurt people on a cultural scale
......stop being right!
Yeah, prison reform is very badly needed in this country.
Essentially torturing people and subjecting them horrific conditions has never left a person better off than they were before.
This is why we need educated, qualified, and ethically motivated people to make decisions about how places like prisons are run. Not greedy, soulless, corporate husks who exist purely to accumulate money.
The for profit prison system needs to be abolished.
Yeah the reason you don't want to go back is that you aren't allowed to leave for an extended period of time. We need to be fostering jails that leave people capable of reintegration to society.
You ever been to jail?
GOOD point.
They forgot the part where only people who have been in jail can comment on it.
I’d like to gauge how informed someone is on a topic before taking them too seriously.
EXACTLY. And only former prisoners can be informed on the topic of jails/prisons.
No, I haven't. I don't see how that has any relevance, but if you have and disagree with me, please explain why?
To be clear (and head off one potential objection), I'm not saying all jails are actually as awful as they make them sound (as I really don't know), I'm referring specifically to the tone of the article, which definitely paints a very specific picture and then normalizes it.
Reading this shit as European...
Seriously, the most American article I've read today. Time for a nap, just after I scrub my brain.
Holy shit. Every time I think we can’t go lower I see something that blows my mind despite deep cynicism.
It's insane to me that even the "luxury" jail looks like a horrendous dungeon, and the implied solution in the article is that everyone should be in the even worse county jails. It's no wonder the US has the recidivism rate that it does. All of the cells for all prisoners need to be upgraded to something that looks like a living space if there's going to be any hope for the persons in them to be able to reintegrate into normal society when they're released. Being afraid of getting raped and murdered everyday while living in a gray concrete box doesn't exactly produce well adjusted individuals. I thought the punishment was supposed to be the incarceration itself, not the added daily violence in jails. It's so barbaric, people who manage to get out of these places and become productive members of society seem almost superhuman to me.
After he pleaded no contest to statutory rape of a 14-year-old girl who attended his South L.A. church in 2011, Leonel Pelayo, then 45, compiled a list of every pay-to-stay jail he could find.
“County jail, you’re verbally abused, physically abused by everybody,” said Pelayo, who was a church leader. “I didn’t want to spend one day there.”
Is this an Onion article?
compiled a list of every pay-to-stay jail he could find
was he doing a youtube top 10 video?
Is this the real life......is this just fantasy.......
Which also goes to show what kinds of offenders will be able to afford this kind of princess treatment. Church leader that raped a teenager deserves better than someone caught with a dime bag.
If you want your blood to really boil, look up some of the leaks about how Josh Duggar gets whatever he wants. That TLC money goes a long way behind bars. (He had the Peter Scully video on his hard drive btw - with children near Daisy’s age.)
In the Bible Belt, you pay to stay and perform free or seriously underpaid labor for garbage cells, and phone calls are expensive.
But what started out as an antidote to overcrowding has evolved into a two-tiered justice system that allows people convicted of serious crimes to buy their way into safer and more comfortable jail stays.
The most hilarious part is believing that this is not the system behaving exactly as expected.
So... In other jails in the US, probably for profit, it costs money to stay and they don't give the option for a better room
Cheaper than my rent. Where can I sign up?
Commit a non violent felony that doesn't step in to federal jurisdiction. Hire a good lawyer that can convince a judge to let you continue under your own recognizance working while you're living in jail awaiting trial. Every time you're trial date approaches push for an extension or a delay. Enjoy living in the premium cell at the zoo.
But living conditions and quality of life is so extremity better here in the Netherlands, so I'll stay here :) Plus, for at least the coming 4 years I wouldn't want to step foot in the US anyway.
Eh you'd be fine. Doesn't really matter who's in the white house if you're just visiting. The president has very little actual impact on day to day life. Who's in the white house is a symptom of the health of a country, not a cause of it. And, like herpes, one symptom may subside but the country is still infected.
What I'm saying is, if you wouldn't visit under trump, maybe reconsider visiting at all. Though I maintain that as a visitor you'd find the people you meet to be mostly polite and even kind, if maybe a little extra interested in you because you have an accent.
Definitely don't fucking move here though holy shit what an awful mistake that would be. In fact, if you ever do visit take me back with you. I'm cool, I'm handy, I make a mean chili. My wife loves to garden you'd basically have no chores!
I've seen many places around the world. I would like to see certain places in the US too but there are too many reasons I'd rather go somewhere else.
Why don't you leave by yourself? Plenty of really good countries you can go to. The Netherlands is nice but we have the biggest housing crisis of the EU, so maybe check other places first :)
I went to American public School.
I speak precisely one language, with maybe a passing interest in a few others. My wife doesn't even have that. Her job requires her to be able to communicate effectively. So that limits us to English speaking countries, Canada, the UK, Ireland, New Zealand and Australia. Of those, New Zealand and Ireland are tempting, though our careers aren't in high demand in either location.
Emigrating to a country we'd buy be interested in would be expensive and time consuming, and we have neither the time nor the money to accomplish that. Not to mention our families and friends are all here. We both have decent careers here.
I thought you were joking and then I did the math... Unfortunately I lose my pay if I'm locked up so I'll go back to looking at campground commuting...
$3k a month? in rent? Are you renting a 5 bedroom house in Manhattan?
That's a 200 sqft studio with no kitchen in Manhattan.
Shit my rent is 2400 and that's considered a steal for the place I live.
🤮 jesus christ
$3k a month gets you a small 2br apartment 45-60 minutes from Manhattan
Ask how I know
lol 3k$/mo is a studio apartment in manhattan.
This is a Cali thing, as far as I know. It's meant to reduce overcrowding.
This would not fly in some other areas of the US, like the south.
I'm not willing to Google search this but, is this a cheap Marriott? Or a more expensive county jail
Well the room looks pretty crappy, but versus a dormitory with 8 bunks in a room, this is a Marriot.
A possible dystopian future will have the actual Marriott brand running these pay-for-premium jail cells. Future advertisements will boast about using credit card reward points to book fancier accommodations while awaiting trial for white collar crimes.
That article was fun on mobile.
I assumed this was sarcasm and expected a ton of ads or huge margins or something... You were right, that was fun on mobile.