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Yeah, obviously, but the US isn't going to implement privacy laws because that would impact American tech corporations as well, who also do mass data collection.
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Which means they've legislated themselves into a game of whack a mole. Without true regulations all they can do is wait for the next mole to pop up.
Incoming: all apps offered on the appstore must be whitelisted and approved by the DOGE. If a social media apps is not approved they can sell themselves within 24h to Musk in order to get apprlval.
No shit
Someone: and they just hand over their SSN to you?
Zuckerberg: Stupid fucks
I thought that was kind of the point... people started using red note because it was openly what the government fears Tictoc could be as a form of protest.
What's next a news story that says people printing out their browser history and dropping it off at the chinese embassies, might be giving their private data to china?
If that's true then people are more stupid than i thought
Oh they are. Albert Einstein: Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, but I'm not quite sure about the universe yet.
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Oh nooooooooo
If they ban rednote I am dropshipping my data directly to Xi
Boo hoo! The US can't spy on it's people anymore because everyone got wise and switched to foriegn apps.
This has nothing to do with the security or privacy of the people. They're pissed because they're losing power over them.
On a side note, everyone that has joined REDnote is waking up to the lifetime of propaganda the american government has been feeding them. This past week has been wild.
there’s genuinely been some class consciousness getting into play
i saw some users from both countries compare prices of eggs and vegetables, and they even did the necessary math of accounting for average wage and cost of living. the chinese users are not allowed to talk about their politics (sadly; this is a bad thing) but they are allowed to talk about foreign politics and they are probably bigger fans of Luigi Mangione even than i have seen in English speaking social media. there are candid discussions of queerphobia as well in its different social (and for the US, political too) manifestations between countries.
The funny thing is at any point the US government can ban the collection of personal user data. It could just be illegal for any company to do this in the US.
But like you said, it's just about the US wanting to spy on its own citizens but not wanting other countries to.
“it’s okay when we do it” —the US on literally everything it criticizes in other nations
Look at the companies with the highest market cap in the US and just start counting how many make money from selling personal data. The US will never implement wide sweeping privacy laws. To the detriment of everyone.
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I just learned from red note that Chinese people don't pay property taxes. Once they pay off their mortgage, they just own their home. I'm definitely the one living in a third world country.
The US government’s position on this can be summed up as “massive unaccountable US tech firms having all of your data and manipulating public opinion via their black box algorithms is okay, but Chinese companies doing that is a national security concern”. I call BS. The degree to which China is actually a US adversary is being massively overstated by the US government as they see this as a threat to US geopolitical hegemony and America’s ability to propagandize its own citizens. I have spent some time on RedNote (Xiaohongshu) and all I have seen is friendly cross-cultural exchange and discussion between these supposed ‘adversaries’.
I want to take it even further down, what effect does China harvesting my data have? I'm a poor white man working in a school in the Midwest with extreme left beliefs. I'm not privy to government Intel, I don't when go to school board meetings. All I watch is redstone tutorials and goblin-core videos. I'm not saying I'm a default demographic, but if you take the entire digital footprint of everyone I know, you're getting terrabytes of wasted space. You can't even use it to radicalize us because we use it for escapism, not news. Not that that's an option, I'd happy sell out this shithole for a stable job and dental, but I don't see China sending me any pizza parties.
US propaganda has been focused on telling people nonstpp how Muslims and Chinese are all just busy hating the US because of their "muuh freedom" and their greatest whishes is to take that "freedom" away. Also they are all underdeveloped peasants according to the propaganda.
The greatest danger to that propaganda model is normal people talking with each other and realizing people are just people with people problems. Doesn't matter where in the world you are. The average person will worry about paying their bills, their work, the health of their family and how their kids do in school.
People in warzones care about staying alive and overcoming their attackers, but even then most people who have been at the end of American barrels or barrels allied to the US just want to be left the fuck alone in their own countries. Very few actually want to destroy the US, despite having their family members murdered by the US or its Allies. (Same goes for people dealing with Russian, French or other foreign military attacks)
The US government doesn't want us to see how well people are living in China off a mid income. How good their infrastructure is. How everyone is healthy and benefitting from their government instead of being repressed and used as a resource.
Stop spewing more Chinese propoganda. “Benefitting from their government instead of being repressed and used as a resource”. You’re talking about China here? A totalitarian government with absolute control over everything.
Benefitting so much that they can’t even talk about politics or their own country’s dark history without being re-educated.
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How good their infrastructure is.
and benefiting from their government instead of being repressed
Had my there for a second. I thought you were being serious.
Keep believing what your owners want you to believe.
I've been to China a few times and while some of their infrastructure is amazing a lot isn't good or safe. Don't get me wrong though, each time I go to China the improvements to amenities and quality of life for locals always seems to be improving. Locals have to work hard to get what they get in life versus me in my western job doing 8-4 each day.
The fact that it's improving at all makes it a better place than the US. At this rate america is going to look like mad max in a few years while the chinese chill under their vast solar arrays.
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Everyone of us can be manipulated. If someone has your data, which gives indicators on how you think and act, that someone can manipulate you.
And manipulating citizens is a good strategy for foreign countries.
I think they said all the needed was pizza + dental and they'd sell out. No need to manipulate a hungry man, just tell him what to do to get some food.
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Remember that time that China bombed a US ship in the Mediterranean though, to try to trick us into a war with Egypt?
Wait, that was "Israel".
have spent some time on RedNote (Xiaohongshu) and all I have seen is friendly cross-cultural exchange and discussion between these supposed ‘adversaries’.
Nobody is saying the Chinese people and American people are enemies or adversaries.
I have spent some time on RedNote (Xiaohongshu) and all I have seen is friendly cross-cultural exchange and discussion between these supposed ‘adversaries’.
Do you really not understand the difference between "Chinese people" and "Chinese government"?
Security risks, like interacting with Chinese people and undoing decades of our propaganda
Funny how people downvote this even though it's honestly true lmao
If all my data is for sale and China can just buy all my data from Meta, Amazon, Google, etc. Then why not just skip the middleman? At least if I give my data directly to the CCP, Zuckerberg won't have access to it.
FBI: "Be careful what Apps you use because they are all collecting data on you" "Cover your Webcam, it is probably hacked" "Turn off location on your phone, because that's being hacked" "All of our phones are being spied on by China from a back door via the telco infrastructure that the Government refuses to correct, because they want to spy to"
Congress: "Tiktok is the biggest problem"
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It has Israeli investors so any pro-palestine content won't last long!
I doubt it. These things are controlled by the CCP and the CCP is loving the way Israel just keeps exposing Western hypocrisy.
excellent to know so we are going to make and enforce privacy regulations so this pattern doesn’t keep repeating itself
… right?
The news tends to drive things like this, so I don't know how many people are really "flocking" to this Chinese application. This is also so artificial. Forces are driving this and people don't seem to notice.
Regardless of the number, I'm completely baffled. They don't even understand why the US government is doing this in the first place.
These folks are jumping off a sinking ship and grabbing steadfast to the first piece of flotsam that they found... which ironically suffers from the same exact problems that the ship did in the first place. It will inevitably suffer the same demise. It's crazy that those holding on don't seem to understand that.
If you want to keep TikToking or whatever it is people do on that platform, you should join the closest Western version, preferably owned by a multi-billionaire in the US. Their platforms will be protected no matter how much data is stolen and how much privacy is violated. The goal wasn't to stop the communist Chinese government, but ensure that Americans maintain a stranglehold over these vices so that they can benefit from them. People are being used and just don't care.
It sure would have been nice if more people join the fediverse in response to things like this, but alas... it's not quite mature enough yet. They can't look for something like Loops because it just isn't ready. They go to things like BlueSky, completely oblivious to the fact that it can't be what they really want. They don't even know what they want. They just follow the lemmings before them.
Someday this will change for the better. Maybe. Perhaps not.
I'll never personally understand short form video and influencers and everything else around that. But for others, it's a huge deal... at least that's what the media seem to be making it into.
I mean... perhaps this is unintentionally the begining of something good and they just don't realize it yet.
Good luck TickTockers. Even if the platform remains, you're still being taking advantage. The opportunity is now, and you're blowing it. Something completely entrenched has finally been disrupted. You could take advantage of something better, but you're choosing not to.
If you want to keep TikToking or whatever it is people do on that platform, you should join the closest Western version, preferably owned by a multi-billionaire in the US. Their platforms will be protected no matter how much data is stolen and how much privacy is violated. The goal wasn’t to stop the communist Chinese government, but ensure that Americans maintain a stranglehold over these vices so that they can benefit from them. People are being used and just don’t care.
I think this shows a misunderstanding. A lot of the switch to Red Note is conscious of this. That’s why people deliberately chose to go to a Chinese app, knowing that the goal of the TikTok ban never had anything to do with its stated intentions. People on TikTok have been laughing at “Senator, I’m Singaporean” for months.
It’s a large enough movement that the app has added a translate feature and English/Spanish interfaces. It’s actually somewhat annoying to some of the Chinese folks there, and as someone who wants some language immersion, it’s hard to find comment sections without a lot of English conversation.
Everyone knows that US corps Hoover up as much data as they can get from us, so it’s hard to care about data getting to the Chinese government - it’s not like Meta would say no to selling them data. With Cambridge Analytica and the surveillance states building up in the south to make sure women don’t cross state lines for an abortion, the CCP knowing that I’m trans and have lots of gay sex is much less dangerous than my state government knowing that.
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The goal wasn't to stop the communist Chinese government, but ensure that Americans maintain a stranglehold over these vices so that they can benefit from them.
Both. It can be both. And the influence by the CCP is absolutely real.
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Someone go make green note, blue note, yellow note, all the notes!!!!
Someone did. You can write words on them. They come in a pad. Sometimes sticky!
But they don’t have directions on how to 3d print a gun, and absolutely no references to Tiananmen Square!!
Doh
Just doh
I think the Chinese hackers inside american isp's hardware etc are a way bigger risk...
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I doubt the Chinese are going to sell our information to insurance companies to raise our rates like every company in America
Yeah. A ""security risk"" of all us fucking slaves realizing what a raw deal we've got.
No shit but Americans are god damn stupid and petulant morons that don't think anything but being angry that one of their circus sideshow was being taken away from them.