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Canadians are feeling an undeniable sense of betrayal after Trump declared a trade war against America’s northern neighbor and longtime ally. Trump keeps threatening Canada’s sovereignty and and vowing to put sweeping 25% tariffs on Canadian products, though Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Monday afternoon the tariffs will be postponed by at least 30 days after he promised more cooperation on the border.

In Canada, discussion and disapproval are everywhere. Canadian hockey fans have even been booing the American national anthem at recent National Hockey League games. Addressing the nation this past weekend, Trudeau channeled the betrayal that many Canadians are feeling, reminding Americans that Canadian troops fought alongside them in Afghanistan and helped respond to myriad crises from wildfires in California to Hurricane Katrina. “We were always there standing with you, grieving with you, the American people,” he said.

The Canadian jitters, some worry, could go beyond the moment. “The damage is going to be long-lasting,” said Robert Bothwell, a professor of Canadian history and international relations at the University of Toronto. “The Americans won’t be trusted anymore. The 51st state stuff is just contemptuous. It treats Canada like we don’t even exist.”

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[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The list of items in the second round of retaliatory tariffs was supposed to go up for public comment for 21 days before it kicked in; the government should go ahead with the comment period while Trump's tariffs are paused so all the tariffs can be implemented immediately if Trump's tariffs get unpaused.

[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The delay was to allow businesses time to alter their supply chains. They'd still need the time.

[–] Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would hope businesses would be working on this despite the extension, but I could be naive here.

[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm sure many are looking to cut out US suppliers. I think the gov't would still have to allow time for the transition though because it'd be an enormous shock to anyone that wasn't.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 17 points 1 month ago

Me, watching this unfold from South America

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Weird. Thought there'd be no wars under him. 🤔

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

Since the comments are turning into a flamewar, thread locked.

[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (9 children)

America likes Canada.

Canada needs America.

The unfortunate reality is that America has allowed Canada to exist because they work with us on most things and it's a mutually beneficial relationship. Y'all sorta keep an eye on our northern border and we protect you from basically all threats merely by existing nearby you.

Yeah if we had to completely stop getting stuff from Canada that would suck, but we would be fine.

If we stopped trading with you Canada's economy would take decades to fix.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you. Or in this case don't try and enter into a trade war with the nation that basically funds your existence.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 52 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’m pretty sure Canada exists because in two wars the Americans couldn’t take and hold it.

I think you’ll find that Canadians are good friends and fierce enemies. We’d rather go without and rebuild our economy from scratch than lose our sovereignty and country.

I don’t think Canada needs you as much as you think, I think that got really clear this weekend when the entire country organized quickly and Trump backed off.

[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Must be nice living in that alternate reality you've fabricated in your mind.

America lost 0 wars to Canada (not that any of that matters for this current conversation about the world of 2025). There was a stalemate, but if you wanna count that as a win for Canada you go right ahead man.

I do think Canada could survive if they went cold turkey on American goods and services. It would SUCK for y'all for a while, but I think you could do it. You would probably spend a ton of money and time expanding your exporting capabilities to go more global, but why bother when you can sell to your neighbors with way less effort and overhead?

All you gotta do is keep a better eye on the border. Doesn't seem like a crazy request given the large upsides for your country.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

but why bother when you can sell to your neighbors with way less effort and overhead?

That's generally my point as well. Except this time Trump's been going on for over a month saying he should annex us and then doing bullshit like trying to make this trade impossible.

Also three days ago Trump said there was nothing canada could do. He's a terrible business partner not worth appeasing.

[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Oh I don't disagree. Trump is a fucking moron and it probably would have been in your best interest to ignore him entirely, but you didn't so here we are.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 month ago (7 children)

That's strange, because we just bit you and you seem to have fucked off.

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[–] faltryka@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago

Kansas checking in here just to say fuck you buddy. Go fuck off to some other country where alliances and brotherhood dating back generations don’t mean shit if that’s how you feel.

I’ve worked for a Canadian company in the US, and they were great for our local economy. I work at a big US org now (multi industry including petrochemicals) alongside many Canadians again contributing to the US economy.

Frankly, they have been a more reliable and trustworthy partner than the likes of you who would so instantly harm your brother who had done you only service. I hope you go find some other fucking country to taint with your America harming agenda. I’ll stand with the Canadians and the real American patriots who believe in many of the good things that the US has stood for, while also recognizing we can all always be better.

[–] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh yeah buddy, big win for Trump there. This picture from this post is applicable:

Canada gave up nothing, we just reiterated our commitment to the exact same promises already made before Trump was even in power. The only thing this pointless, unnecessary chest-thumping accomplished was the world found out how quickly the USA betrays even it's closest ally. Trump traded in a lot of international goodwill in order to "win" something already agreed to before his presidency so he could brag about it to credulous people like you.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 19 points 1 month ago (13 children)

Got any sources to back your shiitake up?

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[–] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Whatever happened to being a good neighbor? Canada is not hurting the US. There's no reason to hit them with tariffs in the first place. Having power does not automatically mean using it at everyone else's expense is right.

[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And I completely agree with that last statement.

Except Canada hasn't exactly been the best neighbor for awhile. They got a dilapidated fence with holes in it and we asked them nicely to fix it. They said no. So we asked less nicely.

We did try the nice way first.

[–] dom@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago

Lmao cause of less than 1% of fentanyl? The guns that come across the border into Canada are a much bigger problem and you don't see canada throwing a sissy fit like orange manchild