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[–] [email protected] 116 points 1 month ago (4 children)

It's kinda a weird take? Like if I'm in a discussion about some scary things AfD are doing and a left-of-center German joins the conversation, I'd like to think I'd have the ability to...you know...hear what they have to say about things.

There are a bunch of Americans who asked for this; there are a bunch who stood by and did nothing to stop it; and there are a bunch who tried to stop it, did not, and are devastated.

I guess at the end of the day it's just a meme.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Here's my (admittedly hotheaded) Canadian perspective.

Germans, as a baseline, don't dominate online culture. Everywhere I look on the internet, I'm reading about Americans. It never stops. I have to constantly filter through American politics, drama, and celebrity news. It feels like we are finally moving away from American-centricity and having discussions about how living at the whims of this superpower is negatively affecting us.

Americans butt in on this and give their takes on it and man... I just don't care. Their country collectively chose this. My career and ability to provide for my family is seriously at risk because 90 MILLION of them couldn't be bothered to vote.

For this one, single discussion, just this one time, please, butt out.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

After years of being lumped in the same group with every momentarily [in]famous idiot from each of our countries, years of disregard of our regional differences and being plastered with stereotypes from obscure towns a whole country away, it's time we get to stop caring. The United States of America is threatening us. Not one guy, not one party, not certain states. Why should we give a shit that you live in one state or another? As the saying goes, if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem. I don't see many solutions, just a whole lot of distancing yourself from those who represent you by whatever arbitrary distinction you can come up with. America is the problem. We don't want to hear from you until you've solved it.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

As an American who lives in the EU I'd say I experience what you hypothetically describe a LOT more than what the comic does.

Like even to the point of it sometimes being a little annoying. People I barley know asking me my opinions on trump, why people can like him, what's up with the whole egg price thing, etc

Most Europeans I know just want to understand wtf is going on and what things are actually like

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I‘m german and I watch in real time how a fascist Gouvernement is taking over the US.

Sometimes I feel like I take crazy pills, when a friend of mine assures me that Donald Trump is just a business man who wants to help the country. Or when a good friend of mine who I considered sane and intelligent until this moment sends me a link to a J. D. Vance interview and tells me what a very smart guy this is.

It’s infuriating. And lonely. I think every American against this should be allowed to speak openly and participate. We have to work together, or we have lost already.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Lonely is right.

The amount of respect that I've lost for my family over the past decade is immeasurable. They taught me right from wrong, and now they're surprised that I think differently from them. My brother is the only one I'm still close with; everyone else I've been keeping at increasingly large distances. I used to call Mom almost every day, and now I'm lucky if I call her once a week.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can assure you that it’s the people you are talking to that take the crazy pills on the regular.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 month ago (2 children)

God I'm so tired of this shit. I swear the intent is to downplay the danger that many of America's marginalized communities are in. That way trans people don't have anywhere to run. People with disabilities have no where to run. POC have no where to run. Most, if not all, of y'all have laws specifically forbidding refugees from the US. This is because the US has traditionally been considered a safe harbor for refugees. However, the US government is now sending immigrants to Guantanamo and threatening to do the same with trans people, people with disabilities, and so on.

We need your help. Not by stepping in and correcting course, but by giving us safe refuge. Most of us are already in very serious danger and sweating bullets while we watch the gun slowly move to point at us, but we have nowhere to run because no one accepts US refugees.

I'm trans. I'm living in Texas. I voted for Harris. I'm watching the gun as it attempts to murder my friends (I have some birthright citizenship friends) as it slowly drifts ever closer. We need your help, because right now I'm expecting that our expiration dates are less than a year away. They gotta find something to do with us once they start running out of space in Guantanamo c::

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why are you looking at other countries when literally any state would be better than the shithole you're in? And even there I think you'll be perfectly fine in major cities.

But you're welcome to California. Not prefect, but not fucking Texas.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yeah, uh, that hasn't stopped them from going after people in blue states.

Edit: that's a valid question, though. However, I'm concerned that it won't be enough.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In Canada, we need to start prioritising accepting more trans people, POC, and other marginalized communities fleeing persecution. It is absolutely dehumanising and disgusting how the USA is treating trans people right now. Trans rights are human rights.

We also urgently need to deny Pierre Poilievre the election, since he is openly hostile to and scapegoating trans people and other minorities, while cozying up to white supremacists.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Fuck me for wanting in on a discussion about how my own country is going to shit, right? I guess I'll go jump off a bridge or something

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

As an American I think I'm going insane? The last 3 weeks have been some of the most anxious and stressed I've ever been.

Trump's first term was nothing like this, there's a feeling of apathy in the air among people and coworkers (I live in a very liberal city in the deep south). Folks around here just seem to be on edge at all times, whether you're pro or anti in a much more divisive way.

There's a strange feeling knowing there's a solid chance we won't make it out of this one. There have been plenty of times in the past where we've had doom and gloom (Trump v1, conservatives and Obama), etc. Nothing ever happens, but this time I'm fairly confident the country I was born into will be dead and gone given the shear destruction being waged against our institutions.

I'm protesting and will continue to do what is needed to ensure 47 isn't the final chapter.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It's because this isn't Trump's term. It's elons. And I know people say that to make fun of them, but it's also said because it's actually true.

Trump is incompetent. Useless. Corrupt. Elon has actual dedication, he's shit at it, but he actually tries. He's not lazy. But he's still corrupt

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's more than Elon's.. There's a lot of crypto billionaires behind the scenes.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Billionaires in general

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nah, I appreciate the good Americans. Hopefully as many as possible can get out.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm in Alberta. The not-all-of-us thing is real.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I knew this was the route America was going on since I was a kid. Walked the picket line with teachers during high school when they went on strike, and was appalled at how I was spit on and cursed at by conservative adults.

In 2015/2016, told everyone Bernie was our second chance after we whiffed on Al Gore, and then we again fucked that up.

The masses here are beyond stupid. Wish I had the means to bring my family elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

Don’t know who needs to hear it, but here’s some advice that my philosophy professor left me with a long time ago:

Sometimes you can only save one person, and it’s okay for that person to be you.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

then we again fucked that up.

The masses here are beyond stupid

European here. The fault is rarely ever in the masses. The oligarchs you're trying to fight against control the media and the narrative, it's extremely hard to win against that. Furthermore, wasn't Bernie chosen by popular support and then kicked out by DNC?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

This time it certainly feels like it - more people than I ever expected really do openly support what Trump is doing. It’s baffling.

And yes, they did. I can’t say for certain that he had the majority of Dem voters in his corner, though. It seemed like most anyone over 40 in 2016 wouldn’t give Bernie the time of day. Lots of older folks thought he was way too progressive

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Are you guys aware that the point is to show you, as a sign of camaraderie, that there are Americans who disagree with the current admin, rather than to try to get praise?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I understand it's not as easy as a comment on The Internet but the American resistance needs to nut up and someone needs to put one between the eyes if everyone who architected or who is actively implementing Project 2025.

At this point the American military needs to stage a military coup and take back the country.

I don't think it will ever happen but wishful thinking.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (4 children)

So many people are sitting on their hands going "Violence is never acceptable".

I think I ate a 3 day ban on one of the communities for making a joke about guillotining billionaires. Bunch of bootlicking cowards. I get not wanting to go and do some murder on your own, but come on.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Its really hard to have sympathy for any americans because even "the left" seems to have done everything possible to enable fascism by repeatedly throwing the working class under the bus in favour of corporations.

You all had your chance with Bernie but you kicked him to the curb for a creature grown in a lab by credit card corporations.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

You're grouping us all together. I wish Bernie had been elected so bad... we even voted for him in my state, but the democratic party overrode that.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

You're making the same mistake as many Americans themselves do and confusing Democrats in general and the left. I didn't think leftists were the ones who kicked Bernie to the curb. The left in America is very small but they do protest, do mutual aid, and form unions. You could argue they aren't doing enough and when things get bad enough it's time for terrorism, but that's big talk when you are sitting behind a computer.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (12 children)

You do realize we’re going through a fascist coup right?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Time to prove that the second amendment really works then?

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (11 children)

You may be, but clearly more than half of you are not 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Have you checked the voter turnout? Because I didn't but it's traditionally low in the US for different reasons. And this doesn't take into account people not allowed to vote. I don't live in a utopia either but the US is especially undemocratic by design

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Weird that we have more solidarity with the EU than Mexico.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm Mexican and I'm baffled that Canada is trying to distance itself from us. I sincerely don't get why we're constantly being excluded.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (17 children)

"What do you mean, I can't fix this by posting on social media? Stop oppressing me 😢😢😢"

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

I posted it all over X, why isn't it working?!

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

We need all the help we can get. If some of the Americans are on my side, then I gladly accept their help. Hopefully they rise up before it's too late.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

I do see a lot of American replies saying “well I didn’t vote for this so it’s not my fault.”

Fault isn’t the issue for me. All Americans have a responsibility to course correct. The sooner it can be done in numbers the less risky it is for them to stand up and speak out.

I think the punchline of this meme is based in the reality I find myself in. The rest of the world is trying to figure out what life is going to be like when a former ally becomes ambivalent at best and an active adversary at worst. I really can’t be arsed to respond to every commenter who sucks the oxygen out of the room seeking absolution or exception to the anti-American sentiment.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Realistically, what do you expect at this point in time?

Trump's in office since less than a month. There have already been larger protests. With 50501, there is a movement growing. Things will take time.

I'm in favor of showing more empathy to everyone who's personally affected and didn't vote for this, including people who got robbed of their opportunity to vote.

It's unreasonable to ask already marginalized groups now "why aren't you correcting this?". There is no quick way to correct this. It will be a long and drawn-out process, and maybe will also require the insight of Americans that lying to masses is not voicing your opinion as free speech.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Americans whining about wanting to leave the country and take refuge in Canada

for what, so you can squat here and continue to do nothing while your country becomes a Fascist and Imperialist Oligarchy?

No. Maybe we can talk after the Civil war starts when your country invades ours. But for now, this is your problem to deal with.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

So...we don't want allies before they invade us, only after. Got it.

There are a few people in America who agree with your stance on refugees.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Imagine telling Jews in the Holocaust their opinions and thoughts don't matter because Hitler was elected.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (6 children)

That's not what's happening. People weighing in on the political situation, airing their concerns, or trying to highlight issues that aren't being reported on aren't the ones being called out here. It's the "but I'm one of the good ones" comments that have been peppered into every discussion on non-US-centric communities.

Whether you're one of the good ones or not is immaterial. It's contributing nothing. It's just people trying to make the discussion about them.

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