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[–] [email protected] 214 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

This is how everyone should handle trump and his ilk at every opportunity. Talk over him, call him out on obvious lies, chuckle at him when he says idiotic things. Just generally treat him with disdain and derision. He has this hero status with his followers that could be chipped away at if he's the subject of serious, casual ridicule. Not the stupid, desperate, "mango mussolini" "lord cheeto" junk, but the stuff that makes him feel self-conscious and lash out like a stupid, bumbling old man. This has been the most successful rhetorical/propaganda strategy whenever people have employed it.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He's also not fast enough or coherent enough to respond to it anymore. I think you can cow him. Because I imagine that's what his handlers do every day. He's used to submitting.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He's never been fast or coherent enough to respond to any statement with factual evidence. But the unfortunate this is that his followers don't give a fuck if it's all made up

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago

Yup. Trump was a master of the Gish-Gallop debate strategy. Basically, the goal is to overwhelm your opponents with arguments. Even if they’re not accurate or well constructed. The goal is simply to preoccupy your opponent’s speaking time with debunking your claims, rather than making their own arguments. Because claims are easy to make, but comparatively take a lot of time to debunk.

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[–] [email protected] 183 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I'm curious if this is going to be the way leaders treat Trump going forward. And by curious I mean hopeful. Because that debacle in the Oval Office when Elon Musk completely owned him I think has made it clear that powerful people can dominate this man fairly easily. The guy who used to terrorize people in 2016 on the debate stage is gone. He's a dotering old man who doesn't even know where he is half the time. Interviews like this with other world leaders should be able to dominate the conversation fairly easily.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

There is zero chance. I think the only thing that would happen would be he would just shut down all in person meetings in front of a camera. Just like he does with news organizations or press people he doesn't like... He just cries "they treat me badly" and bans them from the White House If something makes him look or feel bad he just shuts it down.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 weeks ago

Seeing less of him isn't a bad thing. He thrives on publicity, good or bad

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Trump will not like being seen as incompetent and weak publicly.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

He should stop being a public figure then because he always looks like that. He's just lucky most amaricans are too dumb to notice.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

when Elon Musk completely owned him

I need to see this.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Elon's 4 year old told Trump to shut his fucking mouth, that he's not the real president, and that he should go away.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Sauce? Please let this be real 🙏

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Pretty easy to find on YouTube, but to me (non native speaker) the audio is not good enough to really hear it. https://youtu.be/OjMFTagD7k0

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

https://www.snopes.com/articles/469232/musk-son-told-trump-shut-up/

I understand snopes tries to be objective, but I watched it and still think the kid did it.

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[–] [email protected] 152 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I wish he would have throat-punched Mango Mussolini.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Anyone who is in the room with him and doesn't sock him in the fucking nose is a terrible human being

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Every time he says something off the wall. Someone needs to lean in, sock him, and say something like, "think before you speak." Including, and especially his secret service detail. I don't think he can learn to do otherwise, it's just a tangible acknowledgment if his inherent idiocy.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 weeks ago

Percussive maintenance

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

Anyone who is in the room with him and doesn’t sock him in the fucking nose is a terrible human being

Well, to be fair, the Secret Service may have a problem with that.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

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Not this crap again.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

The secret service are class traitors

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

They are cops right? Or some sort of kings guard at this point?

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

unsurprisingly Trump has no fucking idea what is actually going on in this war

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 3 weeks ago

Macron interrupts to say to the face of the orange thug that Europe provided 60% of the money and clearly he is there for negotiations. As he puts it, it is russia who should pay back : first pay compensations to Ukraine, then other countries.
Next a journalist asks the orrange nazi if russia will pay since they are the aggressor ... no answer + diversion + end of press meeting

[–] [email protected] 68 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump was quick to shut down the press conference after that.

That 'hand/palm wave' he did too, he really wanted to counter what Macron was saying.

Video was a good watch, short and sweet.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

why is your comment licensed lmao

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They’ve been doing it for a while thinking/hoping it will stop LLMs scraping their comment and using it in their model.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 weeks ago

Time for the EU to break free of the US. The US is now aligned with Russia, North Korea, and Hungary among others.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

What does that fucking moron mean when he says "We'll get some land back"? It seems to me that he thinks his allies land actually belongs to him. I know America likes to portray itself as the big boss of the west but that's just make-believe, man... Like movies and shit.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Trump is 78 years old, has diaper plumbing problems and gets bored easily. Why doesn't he retire? He would be surrounded by his adoring fans and he could live off of all of his money for the rest of his days.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662

"Symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and how severe they are can vary. People with the disorder can:

  • Have an unreasonably high sense of self-importance and require constant, excessive admiration.
  • Feel that they deserve privileges and special treatment.
  • Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements.
  • Make achievements and talents seem bigger than they are.
  • Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate.
  • Believe they are superior to others and can only spend time with or be understood by equally special people.
  • Be critical of and look down on people they feel are not important.
  • Expect special favors and expect other people to do what they want without questioning them.
  • Take advantage of others to get what they want.
  • Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others.
  • Be envious of others and believe others envy them.
  • Behave in an arrogant way, brag a lot and come across as conceited.
  • Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office.
  • At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they view as criticism. They can:
  • Become impatient or angry when they don't receive special recognition or treatment.
  • Have major problems interacting with others and easily feel slighted.
  • React with rage or contempt and try to belittle other people to make themselves appear superior.
  • Have difficulty managing their emotions and behavior.
  • Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change.
  • Withdraw from or avoid situations in which they might fail.
  • Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection.
  • Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, humiliation and fear of being exposed as a failure."

I wish I'd never even heard the name 'Trump' but I feel like I know him well enough now that 'all of the above' feels accurate.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago

Don't forget he was on trial for federal crimes, some of which carried lengthy prison sentences, at the time of his second election win. Literally, his only options were 'become president of the united states' and 'spend the rest of his life in prison'.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Wonder how long it will take for Dorito Benito to start talking about annexing France.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago

This would be beautiful. You can bet at least one McDonald's would be on fire in Paris after that.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This video… is beautiful…

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I didn't bother watching (I prefer to read), but this comment got me to play the video. Macron giving the wink at the end really got me. Pwned.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I don’t think that Cheeto is capable of stringing together a coherent sentence that has any substance to it. It’s like he’s just trying to get through the interview with little meaningless fluff sentences.

Makes me wonder if he has some yet-to-be-properly-diagnosed aphasia.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago

It's clear that he's just a pawn of Musk's at this point. And Musk read Project 2025 and his Nazi brain went "fuck yeah let's do that, get that really dumb guy in office again so we can really do shit"

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago

Add this to the fact that Trump suspended the taxes with Canada and Mexico to gain nothing.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago

That's how to handle the roach

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago

WATCH: A politician and a B-list reality show character

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago

Really don't need to watch, thanks for the infobite that the event occurred I guess?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The annoying orange sure does look like a weak dipshit whenever he tries to spew out his bullshit in an environment where he can't control the narrative.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Macron’s strategy was to spend as much time as possible with Trump, hoping to use their relationship to advocate for Ukraine and Europe.

So, I'm not French or European, so this is an outsider's standpoint.

But I've read past material in the French media claiming that Macron has historically strongly favored personal discussions between himself and foreign leaders, having processes that cut out the French foreign office and relied upon his personal interactions. I believe the phrase they used was "hyperpersonalized" diplomacy.

kagis

The article I was thinking of was much longer and focused specifically on France, but here's another talking about it and using the same "hyperpersonalized" term, so I don't think that it's just that author:

https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-ukraine-war-vladimir-putin-russia-diplomacy-france-documentary/

The film confirms what Elysée hacks have known for a long time — that Macron runs France’s foreign policy single-handedly with a small team of advisers. During the 115 minutes of the documentary, France’s Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian makes an appearance just once and is never filmed speaking. It’s Macron’s diplomatic advisor Bonne who discusses with Macron the French president’s phone calls with Putin, who listens in on the calls and discusses the Elysée’s official statements on the subject. Macron’s advisers aren’t seen challenging the president in any meaningful way.

“[The film shows] a diplomacy that is operated by a handful of people, as if they were running a start-up, as if everything could be resolved with the mobile numbers of ‘Olaf’, ‘Volodymyr’ and ‘Vladimir’, (without neglecting the importance of direct contacts of course),” Le Monde’s Washington correspondent Piotr Smolar wrote on Twitter.

French presidents traditionally have more control over their country’s foreign policy than other western leaders who have to wrestle with strong parliaments or foreign affairs ministries. But for Duclos, the documentary exposes the weaknesses of a hyper-centralized diplomatic machine.

This is talking about a French documentary, which might have driven the article that I read as well.

I don't know whether that's a fair, objective assessment. I don't have the familiarity with French political currents to make that call. But it at least sounds plausible to me.

The problem is that Macron's time leading France has seen several major foreign policy fiascos for France, and a number of them center around what looks to me like Macron getting an incorrect assessment via that personal interaction route.

  • Macron personally interacted with Australian leadership surrounding the submarine deal, and was confident that French defense contractors had it in the bag. Then, AUKUS went through, and Macron in particular was blindsided.

  • Macron aimed at personal phone calls with Putin in the runup to the invasion of Ukraine, and was convinced that Russia would not involve Ukraine and that he could personally influence Putin.

I think that there was one other big issue, something where he was negotiating with another EU member, but I can't recall what it was now.

There have also been a few articles that have made it to the English-language press on smaller issues that have made me a little suspicious that Macron hasn't, perhaps, been as effective as someone in the diplomatic corps might have been.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/20/europe/macron-cyclone-mayotte-french-swear/index.html

Macron tells cyclone-hit Mayotte islanders to be grateful they are French after facing jeers

French President Emmanuel Macron has faced jeers from locals on the cyclone-battered French overseas territory of Mayotte, telling them they should be “happy to be in France, because if it wasn’t France you’d be 10,000 times even more in the s***.”

Like, Macron might be perfectly right on the financial side, but I am deeply suspicious that that was not the best statement to make, regardless.

Then I remember some point where he was calling Italy a "rogue member of the EU" or similar. At this point, there was Article 7 activity against both Poland and Hungary, and the UK was in the Brexit process. I remember commenting something like "whatever the merit or lack thereof of attacking Italy, you need to end some of the conflicts in the EU. With this, you have one of the six largest members leaving the EU, you're trying to strip voting rights from another, and you're calling another a 'rogue member'. You cannot have this many fights at once. You will paralyze the EU."

https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macrons-italian-snubs/

Now, okay. I have Trump running my country, and I think that Trump is considerably more objectionable than Macron as a diplomat. But I am hesitant to say that Macron doing one-on-ones or personally-driving diplomacy with foreign leaders has been all that great for France.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You don't need to narrate the creative process behind your commentary.

*searches*

Ah, yes. That is indeed very odd behavior.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This person is a shill for Kagi, it's like every one of their comments.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

It's hyperpersonalized /s

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

He's such a tiny little bitch why do these maga goblins look up to him

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