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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Would somebody in Congress please listen to Bernie Sanders for a change?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Sorry, Congress is allergic to success.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

That would require more people outside of Congress to listen to him, first.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago

Clearly, Bernie Sanders is an antisemite. He's attempting to stop genocide. How dare he?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If only this dude was allowed to be the Democratic front-runner in 2016. Things could be so much better…

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This isn't really a big news story, Bernie has been doing this pretty consistently. Yes, he was doing it under Biden too. Yes, this is purely performative, it won't have enough votes. No, this isn't antisemitic.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

it's not just performative. Just because something isn't gonna work, doesn't mean you still shouldn't take a stand. Morality isn't something you can turn off and on depending on how useful it is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It is performative. Bernie is an staunch supporter of Israel

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can support Israel's right to exist while still condemning the genocide and other human rights abuses that they commit. These things are not mutually exclusive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

"You can support Nazi Germany's right to exist while still condemning the Holocaust

This statement is fully comparable without any exaggeration.

It is mutually exclusive. Anyone who supports the existence of an Apartheid built on genocide supports genocide. There are no its and buts.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

That's just a bad-faith, black-and-white view. Nazi Germany had the right to exist, but they didn't have the right to invade other countries, exterminate Jews, Romani, gay people, etc. It's not the existence of the state, or even the beliefs of the people running the state, but the actions that matter.

You can be the most racist, homophobic, misogynist Christian asshole in the world, and as long as you don't act on your beliefs, it's not a problem.

If Israel ceases it's genocidal actions, and ceases treating Palestinians like sub-humans, then there's no issue.

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[–] Squirrelanna 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nazi Germany didn't but Germany did and still does.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

To do it over and over again may be morality, but it isn't politics.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

It won't get enough votes, but it will force people to vote and show who they really are.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

He did not criticize Biden during his entire genocide. Bernie supports the actions of Israel

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He stuck (and is sticking) to the party line way too much for way too long, which is something you can criticize him for, but "Bernie supports the actions of Israel" ain't it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Perhaps, but he might as well be considering his consistent voting record funding Israel

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Bernie is literally the only politician I would trust with this country at this point. What a bunch of fuck ups and morons

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Kick his ass Bernie!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Netanyahu’s “defense” is mass civilian slaughter, funded by U.S. taxpayers. Sanders calls it what it is.

😺😺😺😺😺

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (9 children)

I don't think we should give away weapons to Israel, but why should sales be blocked? Israel has a right to defend itself.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I think what they’ve done is far more than merely defending themselves.

Yes, Hamas is evil and did heinous things to the Israeli people, but the response was disproportionate and targeted civilians. Even the lowest estimates show that one in every fifty people in Gaza have been killed, and that number includes mostly women and children, not combatants. Heck, other estimates show nearly double that death toll.

And let’s not even start on the forced displacement of almost a million (!!!) people.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't forget the public admission from Israel that they want to kill everyone in Gaza that doesn't leave.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Also, they're not letting anyone leave.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

Yes, Hamas is evil and did heinous things to the Israeli people, but the response was disproportionate and targeted civilians. Even the lowest estimates show that one in every fifty people in Gaza have been killed, and that number includes mostly women and children, not combatants. Heck, other estimates show nearly double that death toll.

This. It goes far beyond reckless, far beyond callous; it's literal genocide.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My friend the real death toll could be ten times the 40k killed I'm being told by the media. I don't know, I've never been there. Everything is so fucked it's hard to know who to believe.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The UN has published the estimated deaths to be at least 200k+ because of famine and the lack of medical care.

  • Humanitarian aid was blocked
  • Food trucks were stopped
  • Hospitals are bombed

That's a Genocide.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh yeah, no doubt about it. I just can't ever know how many bodies are under the remains of their buildings. I imagine that could even be a conservative number. I doubt they were doing a census.

It's making me sick thinking about it every day and I'm so privileged to even have the luxury of giving a shit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Oh yeah, I’m using very low numbers (ie. just the bodies who have been identified) so there’s little room for argument. The actual death toll is unknowable because it’s so large.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves?

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

To add to what the other guy said: As Hamas is an insurgency working in territory that Israel is illegally occupying, Israel does not in fact have a right to defend itself. It has no right to do anything except get the fuck out of Gaza (including its territorial waters and airspace).

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

don't feed the troll

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Troll detected. Could be an incel too.

Don't feed anyway.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The money for these "sales" is aid from the US government.

Israel is unique in that they are the only country that gets its aid from the US government on January 1st, with interest, in cash. They have to use a part of it on American weapons and the rest they just get in cash.

I'm sure Sanders also has a bill or intentions to stop that, but that would be a separate bill.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Yeah with genocide.... fuck Israel, they are trash humans.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's actually just a limitation of the weapon system. Unfortunately, they switched to the foreskin guidance systems.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

man, looking at your history, you seem to go out of your way to have the absolute worst takes in history. I mean, it really takes work to be as hated as you are everywhere you go.

if israel wants to defend themselves, let them do it. there's no need for us to be the ones defending them. otherwise, it's not them defending themselves, is it?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Meanwhile, no one is listening to the real government.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Now that Trump is in office. Bernie ignored the children being bombed in Gaza for the past 16 months because he is a Democrat shill.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (7 children)

He tried to stop the weapons last year as well. Because Bernie is not a shill, he's pretty fucking cool.

Which is why the media often goes out of their way to ignore him.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I'm pretty sure Bernie doesn't like you either. I don't like you.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Stop spreading false info. Maybe he isn’t doing it to your particular liking but he is fucking doing it and you’re all over this thread saying the opposite.

2024 Scoop: Sanders seeks to block $20 billion in arms sales to Israel

2023 Sen. Bernie Sanders says aid to Israel should be conditional, citing the toll on Gaza

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Remember, sometimes not speaking is the best thing you can say!

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