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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Gas stoves fill the air in your home with particulate matter (pm), which has been found to increase cancer risk in the long term.

So next time you buy a stove, consider choosing an induction stove.

Btw, gas stoves being better or faster than induction is a myth. They have certain specific advantages, but they are actually slower.

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Induction is the best, I'll never go back

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Induction is best in theory, however in practice it's unfortunately often paired with these shitty buttonless capacitive controls that are harder to decipher that hieroglyphics as well as """smart""" features

They do still sell induction stoves with classic dumb buttons but they are either hard to come buy or aimed at professional chefs, which instantly adds two zeros to their price

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Mine has simple capacitive controls. Turn it on, higher number is more hotter. Very simple.

Apparently it has other features, not bothered with them.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Tbf the flat buttonless style makes them really easy to clean.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's the best, got one not too long ago, and same, I'll never go back. Immediate temperature control.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (17 children)

I mean, you have immediate temp control with gas too?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

It's significantly immediate-er with induction - particularly going from cool to hot. Boil water in 2 minutes and handles don't get hot in the process. And since nothing is heating except the metal of the base of the pan there is no residual heat from the cooktop parts or the sides of the pan when you turn it off. The temperature drops much faster.

I went back to gas after 5 years cooking on induction and miss it a lot. Cooking something like pasta that requires boiling a sizeable quantity of water takes 2x or 3x longer on gas, even with a very powerful burner.

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 2 months ago (7 children)

The studies I read, there was no ventilation / exhaust fan. The point was that low income households using these stoves often don’t have proper ventilation and it makes them dangerous. I didn’t find much evidence that using them with proper ventilation is actually a serious problem.

Further, cooking releases all sorts of chemicals from incomplete combustion in the air if something is burning, as well as the toxic chemicals release from nonstick cookware at very high temperatures, so cooking without ventilation is bad for your health would be the message I’d take away. I find most people are completely unaware of the hazard.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (4 children)

With proper ventilation you can do everything, you can work with hazardous gases and nuclear materials, if the ventilation is sufficient.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Radiation ventilation is fun to say

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Very few residences have proper ventilation. In the US, a microwave above the stove is common. Microwave often do have a fan function, but the vast majority don't vent outdoors. I doubt that running air through a very thin filter will do much good.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Even charcoal grills inside are fine with proper ventilation. So you're right, but your also not saying very much.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 2 months ago (9 children)

the maillard reaction causes cancer. I'm still not boiling my beef.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Photons cause cancer so I guess I may as well do nothing at all.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 months ago (18 children)

Appliance repairman here. What I tell my clients about gas in general is that: 1. When natural gas burns it create CO. 2. There is a none zero chance the thing can blow up.

Electric cooking appliances have an absolute zero chance of either of these two things happening.

I try to get people to switch to electric for these reasons some just like the aesthetic of cooking on gas.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

a non-zero* chance

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (23 children)

We like to see it - fire, heat.

We like using pans that may not be induction friendly.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Did you know that the vast majority of electric stovetops aren't induction stovetops and you can use any pan you like on them? Personally, I would rather not breathe in carbon monoxide.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (16 children)

They have certain specific advantages, but they are actually slower.

This entirely depends on the stove. Consumer-lever stoves? Sure, definitely. Commercial stoves? Probably not. Commercial stoves put out 3-4x the BTUs of a high-end consumer stove, and usually can't be installed in a home because they require significant shielding around them (so you don't burn a building down) and a very high flow hood. The highest-end Wolf range has a single burner that has a maximum output of 10,000BTU, and costs a whopping $17,000; a fairly basic range top for a commercial kitchen has six burners that can all output 32,000BTU, and costs about $3700. For stir-frying specifically, you can get a single ring wok burners outputting 92,000-125,000BTU starting at about $700 for natural gas (and a helluva lot more if you use LP).

Unfortunately, I can't find a solid conversion between gas and induction stove capabilities.

Oh, and FWIW - if you live somewhere with an unstable power grid, a natural gas or LP stove will continue to function when the power is out, albeit you'll need to light it manually. We lose power fairly regularly due to storms--usually only a day at a time, but sometimes as long as 3-4 days--and it would be a real hassle to have all electric appliances when there's no power.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (19 children)

1 kW is 3412 BTU/h (=BTUs)

Most induction stovetops have a boost function with around 3-4 kW (that's about 13000 BTUs).

BUT contrary to a gas stove top, almost all of the energy is actually put into the pot instead of the surroundings (only 30-40% of the energy from a gas stove is used to heat the pot). Meaning that a 4 kW induction cooktop should be comparable to a 40'000 BTUs gas stove (single burner).

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

a natural gas or LP stove will continue to function when the power is out

LP camp stoves work without power and are a good backup for an electric stove

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

idk - there should be some very clear cancer statistics to back up such a claim between countries like Sweden (<1% gas stoves, all are electric) vs other countries then.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

One cause of cancer like this probably won’t be visible on a national scale, too many other factors come into play that will muddy the data

However, it’s not “idk”, the current science on gas stoves being bad for your health is quite clear. Not just cancer, but also for other lung-related issues like asthma: https://www.cancercenter.com/community/blog/2024/09/are-gas-stoves-bad-for-your-health

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

You're right - the report they link to here (Table 2 is good) makes that quite clear.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.2c09289

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I read that running an extractor hood mitigates the risk a fair amount. Not completely, but enough that you shouldn’t worry if gas is your only option

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Since this article is specifically about pm 2.5, I'm going to chime in and say I have a gas range with no extractor, and the only time my pm2.5 sensor picks anything up is when frying generates smoke and oil aerosols. That's more a function of cooking temperature than fuel, and my induction hotplate will generate just as much.

CO2? Definitely more with gas. Trace chemicals? Probably more with gas, but all the studies I've seen are just about running the cooktop, with no food, in a sealed room. Run the extraction hood or open a window when you cook - it's not just heat source.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (11 children)

It's completely baffling that there are people unironically still defending gas stoves in 2025. There's no discussion to be had on the subject any more, induction is superior and that's final.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

I would agree in places with good infrastructure. I lived somewhere with rampant power outages, sometimes for 5 days at a time.

Gas was sure nice then.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think the people who claim gas stoves are best likely grew up either not cooking much, or had a decent gas stove, so their first exposure to an electric stove was super cheap, crappy electric coil stoves in student housing, or wherever they first lived as a young adult. Then when they were able to afford better, they got a better gas stove.

I have a really crappy gas stove, and it makes me yearn for the cheap electric coil stoves of my youth.

People say that gas stoves are more powerful and responsive, when the truth is that more powerful stoves are more powerful, and "responsiveness" is a fake concern. My crappy gas stove takes forever to get a pot of water boiling, especially compared to coil stoves. Yeah, you can turn a gas stove to 100% quickly, but that's only better if it can put out more power. It won't heat up any faster than an electric stove if the electric stove takes double the time, but also has double the power. There's also not many cases where "time to maximum heat" is what you care about, I can't think of any.

Responsiveness the other way (hot to cool) doesn't matter when you have a high thermal mass in the pan (or the pan itself has high mass), it only matters when the pan and contents are light, in which case, you just take the pan off the heat.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (14 children)

Yes, a little bit… Burning any kind of fuel in your home is going to produce carcinogens.

But it’s really nothing to get too excited about, and cooking on electric is bullshit

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As other people have said, induction is alright. Way better than traditional electric anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Yes, but...

Cooking itself also does this. If you are searing or frying that will also release dangerous particulates. Make sure you have and use a vent hood that vents outside the living space when you cook regardless of fuel.

I can say from personal experience of using every kind of home stove, that gas is both the worst and slowest. Boiling water for my morning coffee is fastest on induction, which takes about half the time as resistive or radiant electric, and gas takes nearly three times longer than that.

Though it might just be the american style of burner that directs the flame away from the center of the pan. I've not yet tried any other kind.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

We swapped out a gas for induction, it's amazing to be able to put the temp down below very hot. Also very responsive to power changes, and can wipe clean.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Everything else being equal, of course electric and induction stoves are preferable to gas. I spend most of my life with an electric stove, no apartment I ever saw had induction, but I didn't particularly like the gas stove I had to use for some years.

But if you want the worst user experience ever, find an electric stove with touchscreen controls. What the hell, landlord, where did you even find that one?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (5 children)

The only thing I know gas stoves to be better at than other methods is traditional wok. But that's hardly a reason to jeopardize your health for.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

You can actually get induction wok thingys.

The induction magnet is bowl shaped, so that when placed in it, the wok is heated all over.

They work, but apparently the really good ones are priced for business kitchens.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

Since this is the stove thread:

I had a pot of salt water overflow from boiling on a electric stove and now there is this tough ring of residue around the burner caked on and it won't scrub off. Is using a razor blade to scrape it off really the only option?

I'm worried I will scratch the stove top and the landleech will have an excuse to steal my security deposit.

Edit: thank you all for your helpful advice

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

YSK: Everything causes cancer. Drinking water causes cancer. Living causes cancer.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What doesn't?

Even tea causes cancer

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I hate this mentality. There are things that are legit concerns and then there are things which aren't. Please don't use the same logic for taking up smoking.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (13 children)

gas stoves being better or faster than induction is a myth. They have certain specific advantages, but they are actually slower.

If you have 380/400V 16A induction, it's not even close.
But be careful, if you have ceramic coated pans for instance, and you use the high power settings to heat it up, your pans won't last long, as the ceramic may crack because of the fast heat up. We lost 2 pans that way. 😋
We also had a cheap cooking pot, where it developed a crack between the main pot and the apparently cheaply attached heat spreading bottom.
This made the pot sputter because water was collected in the crack when washed.
When I boil eggs, i time it from the moment the water is boiling. But with out new stove, the water boils so fast, I've had to add 2 minutes to the time they boil!!

Our electric kettle is 2.2 kW. But boiling a liter of water on the stove is still more than twice as fast!! Meaning the stove must be putting more than 4.4 kW to the pot, on the smallest cooking spot!!

Obviously that is only possible for 1 spot at a time, I figure the max must be around 6kW combined.

They have certain specific advantages, but they are actually slower.

I can't think of any advantages, gas stoves are slower, they are harder to clean, they give off an insane amount of wasted heat, which is uncomfortable in hot weather, and they noticeably degrade air quality unless you have very good ventilation.

The only possible advantage I can think of, is that you can use cheaper equipment on gas. but not always, because non metal handles tend to get ruined on gas stoves.

All in all induction is superior. 😎

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