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Summary

Trump and Zelenskyy's confrontational Oval Office meeting advanced "mob boss foreign policy" serving Russian interests.

Trump and Vance bullied Zelenskyy when he refused their "extortionate" minerals deal or to thank them despite Trump's stated intent to reduce support for Ukraine.

Zelenskyy effectively countered their claims by noting Russia's 2014 invasion and correcting historical inaccuracies, which angered the Americans.

This represents the first openly “anti-US, anti-Western, anti-democracy foreign policy in American history.” Russians embraced it, and Putin ally and former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev celebrated the exchange.

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[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 272 points 3 weeks ago (22 children)

Most embarrassed I've been to call myself an american. And I'm a veteran.

Absolutely disgusting.

[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 92 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm so angry and embarrassed. What a total shit show.

[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Since 2015 ish I started unfollowing both left and right side friends because of political talk from people on my friends list on Facebook. I really have pruned it to be only people that post stuff they're doing. Same for people that only forward stuff. (News or whatever).

I broke down and posted about yesterday on my feed with a link to a YouTube video of the press conference. Expressing how utterly disgusted I was.

It's a minor thing but it should make it very clear how I feel and the line we crossed with that display.

[–] _wizard@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Seems like you did an unnecessary pruning then. You just weren't angry yet.

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[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 72 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I was pretty embarrassed when he was elected the first time, then really embarrassed when he was elected the second time too, but yeah, this is a new low.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Embarrassed? I went into a deep depression and could barely get out of bed, the second time.

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[–] DNS@discuss.online 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm a veteran and a minority as well. It's great knowing more than 1 language because I can claim a different country that speaks my language as my own to avoid the negative association of being an American.

I also get discounts speaking my native tongue compared to white folks who come blaring in disrespectfully.

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[–] klant@lemm.ee 198 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

The most embarrassing moment in American history. Regurgitating Russian propaganda to the ally currently under attack from Russia. It's almost unbelievable that this actually occurred...

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think Ukraine is an ally anymore. I don't think much of Europe is our ally at this point

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm certainly not an ally, and I live here.

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I mean, same. I hate that I'm an American rn.

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[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 30 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

most embarrassing moment in American history

so far.

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 145 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

That was their goal. Humiliate Ukraine like he tried to humiliate Canada and Mexico. He's a bully and conman and lying, cheating, and breaking deals is how he has gotten through life and it's all he knows. He thinks that by humiliating and making other leaders feel small and helpless he can make himself look big and strong and get a better deal.

He hasn't figured out yet that dealing with sovereign countries with millions of citizens whose politicians need to answer to them, not Trump, is different that cheating a small paint store or a small architecture firm.

He's bankrupted everything he's tried to, the-art-of-the-deal and he's going to bankrupt America.

If the world works together it can bring the United States to heel.

[–] krebssteven@lemmy.world 47 points 3 weeks ago

He tries to run diplomatic relations like he would be dealing with NYC mobsters. That man is entirely unsuited for office. The US population which elected him has shown to be unsuited for the leadership role they claim their country has. That’s the reality the rest of the world is facing. The US is a troubled state and an unreliable ally. Moreover, they are acting in the interests of adversarial nations to world peace and prosperity. Other nations who did that have been deemed rogue or terrorist states.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Humiliate Ukraine like he tried to humiliate Canada and Mexico.

Trump's tariffs are about to come into effect against Canadian goods in a couple days. I fully expect to see another meltdown from Trump. I really hope Trudeau records the entire meeting/phone call and makes it public so the whole world can witness it.

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[–] somewa@suppo.fi 114 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

Reality is that every other country will look down on USA for years. USA is not going to be considered trustworthy trading partner nor trustworthy ally.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 81 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

And the sad part is that even if we can get our act together and pull put of this, our former allies would be justified in not getting too close, because we've demonstrated that we could just allow the morons back in at the next election to burn it all down again.

[–] bob_lemon@feddit.org 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The US always had terribly low resilience in the way their government is structured. The "checks and balances" were pretty great in the late 18th century, but their protections are paper thin and assume good faith.

Several countries have iterated upon their constitutions in the last 300 years, often to close exactly the kind of vulnerabilities we can see exploited in the US right now. For example, because of what the Weimar republic's article 48 was used for in 1933, the German president no longer has those powers.

I understand that the US constitutions had had amendments, but as far as I can tell, the fundamental flaws across several core institutions have never been addressed. Until they are, the US can not be a trustworthy partner for any endeavor longer than the next election cycle.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

It’s frankly a much healthier strategy for our (former) allies. We’re really not all that dependable anymore. We’ve been coasting on inertia for decades.

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[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 102 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

At the time Trump built Trump Tower, Jackie Kennedy was the most famous and beloved person in New York City. Undisputed Queen of high society. Her pet project was preservation of great New York architecture. Everyone knew about her efforts to save Grand Central Station.

The building Trump razed to put up the Tower was considered one of the most beautiful on 5th Avenue. Everyone told Trump that he could preserve the façade of the building and still have a massive skyscraper on top.

So, Trump ignored everyone and demolished the building after promising to preserve parts of it.

That's the kind of idiot he has always been.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 85 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Karens yelling at cashiers in the checkout line also think they're humiliating their victims.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 81 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He took away anyone's right to ever suggest a woman would be too emotional to be president lmao.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 51 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You expect Republicans to be consistent? They live for hypocrisy.

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[–] Tezzerets_Tea_Time@lemmy.world 77 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Has Trump done anything in the past month to not humiliate the US and drastically weaken our global strength and influence?

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 58 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What matters to trump is what he makes himself feel about the event, not what actually happened. The Führer feels he was strong, therefore America strong, because he’s all that matters in the picture. Absolutely no other factors need intrude.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's an infantile vision of what a strong man is. He's a caricature and the US is a joke as a result.

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[–] Elkot@lemmy.world 52 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

America humiliated itself by voting this orange twat back in

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 48 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

Anyone know how fox news is spinning it to the Maga folk? I can't bring myself to look at the cancer.

[–] GeorgimusPrime@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

Zelenskyy gave Fox and interview which came off quite well.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Zelenski is an ungrateful bitch who got bitch slapped by Trump and will now give the US everything trump wants because trump best!

Something like that, probably

Just to clarify: I think zelenski is an example to the world and I think it's very fair to call him the Churchill of our generation.

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[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 38 points 3 weeks ago

The tough guy act falls pretty flat to me when if it came down to it I'm pretty sure the average 13 year old could deal with this geriatric old man. Like gramps your bones are made of glass.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The idea that Zelensky should owe the US anything is darkly hilarious. The US has been using this war to further its own geopolitical aims, without regard for Ukrainian lives. "Pay us back for the privilege of being a sacrificial pawn of US foreign policy". Gross.

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[–] oascany@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

You know there's something wrong when Putin and his cronies are the only ones applauding you.

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[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Who cares what others think of the US, it's all a facade. Regardless who's in office the world sees us as a joke. Homelessness, incarceration rates, low education, poverty, no healthcare, stagnant wages, there's a thousand things to look down on about the US other than a fanatical asshole.

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[–] roofTophopper@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

100% knew this shit would happen. Knew he was going to take this all as some massive win. His cronies probably all patted him on the back and gladly licked his nuts.

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

And he does it on a daily basis.

[–] griff@lemmings.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

The US federal abomination continues its rapid deterioration

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