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[–] [email protected] 91 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Can I be nit-picky here for a second?

If you're genetically modifying an elephant for cold tolerance and fur growth, you're not "bring a mammoth back from extinction", you're creating a furry elephant. It may look somewhat like a mammoth, but genetically it's not a mammoth at all.

It's like saying you can genetically modify a homo-sapien to have a pronounced brow ridge and a hairier back and say that you've brought the neandertal back from extinction. No you haven't, you've just designed a human who looks different.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

Well, the goal isn't to just create woolly mammoth-lile creatures by copying characteristics. The goal is to recreate the genome from what genome data we have into a living creature.

It's not like they are trying to create a sweded version, but take a creature that is already close and change the genes to match.

At least, that's how I understood it based on the article.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (5 children)

And next you’ll say that genetically-modified ears aren’t enough to make catgirls real either 😩

Can we let this one go? Not for science, not for accuracy, but for the prospect of having catgirls in our lifetimes, at least?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

And catboys! We can be equal opportunity here.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

And the most annoying part is that this is incredibly fcking useless. Wooly mammoths went extinct for a reason. Large animals are becoming less and less evolutionary preferred. Wooly mammoths are adjusted for the cold while our globe is warming.

Can we just use our fcking resources for things that matter?????

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You're using the same logic my dad uses to rail against going to Mars. He says there is no worthwhile reason to go there when more pressing matters on earth are in abundance.

Just like you, he is missing the forest for the trees, angrily ignorant to the fact that the knowledge you gained from trying to achieve a seemingly worthless achievement is the actual value, not in the achievement itself.

The achievement is just a convenient goal to make the science more exciting to the general public so as to garner more financial support from both private and government sources. Each of the steps needed to gain that achievement may not have gained as much funding as they do now if they were presented separately from that final goal.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

When your house is on fire you don't start looking for package holidays to Pompeii, no matter how much you might learn. We have all the knowledge we need to avert the climate crisis, we just need action and resources dedicated to fixing it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What do you want the geneticists to do? They are educated in their domain, you can't just plop them into another field

The applications of their work is likely plenty in medicine and bioengineering

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I want them to stop pretending that resurrecting a cold adapted species into an ecosystem that is rapidly melting will do anything productive.

If they want to be helpful they can work out how to engineer humans that can survive 40 degree heat and breathe co2.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If they want to be helpful they can work out how to engineer humans that can survive 40 degree heat and breathe co2.

That's what they're fucking doing by bringing back the mammoth...

They'll run when they're ready, but right now they're learning to crawl. Or to put it differently, let them cook.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Drought resistant crops, heat resistant corals, and rot resistant bamboo, please.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (6 children)

You'll find that we have a lot of people on this planet, we can multitask. We can research genetic engineering, and green energy, and medical technology, and recycling processes, as well as things that don't advance those immediate goals, like microprocessors, meta materials, superconductors, astrophysics, geology, mathematics, etc.

When your house will be burning for the next few hundred years and you still have to live in it because even on fire it's the best house around, maybe just get on with your life and do something productive? Perhaps some of us can move out eventually, but it would take a lot of research in a lot of different fields, probably even genetics...

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Dang I guess me and your father would rly vibe then because I feel the same about colonizing Mars

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Not really, we humans killed most big land animals that we found as we expanded our territory, back when we were hunters. This happened in big "islands" like Australia and Madagascar, as well as all the small islands. There, large animals had lived in equilibrium for centuries, and their extinction matches some short time after humans arrived. An exception are the galapago islands, as they were discovered in the 19th century.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Besides the fact that the hunting hypothesis is that; a hypothesis, there's a lot of other factors as to why it isn't a good idea. Mainly, ohh idk... The fact that they have had no place in nature in over tens of thousands of years? Even if we managed to create an artificial habitat and role in an ecosystem for them, they would be very vulnerable due to megafauna's increased minimum land requirements because of their size and in danger constantly due to climate change.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

And to recreate the species they’d need hundreds of them from different genetic material. Which means they’ll likely create a single one that will eventually die and costed billions of dollars.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nobody cares about wooly mammoths. This is a test of gene editing techniques that can eradicate genetic diseases.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I already have the hairy back, can I say I am half neanderthalensis? Better than homo sapiens seeing how things are going...

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Everything weird about this aside... Those mice are fucking adorable.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Agreed 100%. I know they arent for sale, but I kinda want to look into them as pets

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Kind of a dick move to bring an animal from the Ice Age, back to experience global warming.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

Global warming 2 extinction boogaloo

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

mouse sized woolly mammoth would be pretty fucking cool.

imagine the sound when he toots his little trunk.

could store him in the fridge.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But how would he get in the fridge?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Open door, giraffe goes out, mammoth goes in, close door

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

This was wise. They had to create the woolly mice so that when they create the woolly mammoths, they can woolly control them.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

They do look extremely cute though.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Is this how we get tribbles?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

The 15ft tall 8,000 pound mouse was last seen rampaging in the downtown area. OK that's what I wanted the article to say.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

But no little tiny tusks? No trunk? Lame. Is it so wrong to want a tiny mammoth I can hold in one hand?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

new Pokémon just dropped?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

I am skeptical of all articles with "scientists" in the title... but those mice are really cute. 😙

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Oh my god I want one so bad

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This means they’re gonna make wooly elephants and try to make us call them woolly mammoths.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

We spared no expense!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Why? How about focusing on preventing more extinctions instead of some Jurassic Park bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

We already know how to prevent more extinctions. Better environmental laws, more green spaces, better conservation efforts, less suburban sprawl, etc. You know, things that will never happen.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

We have to experiment with mice before achieving the ultimate goal of laser shooting sharks.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

How many butts do the mice have?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ever since I was a kid I've always been hyped about the idea of them bringing back the mammoth. Been hearing about it my whole life...

But I have to ask... Why are we trying to, exactly? I mean, the planet's heating up. why are we trying to reintroduce a woolly mammoth? It's one thing if they're talking about using actual mammoth DNA and cloning it, but that article was talking about specifically just turning on some genes that cause fur and cold tolerance... What is the point of just making furry elephants at this point? Where are we sticking them, and why are we sticking them there? Is there some ecological niche that needs filling? Are we going to attempt to populate Antarctica (and hope it stays cold enough for that?) with hirsute pachyderms?

How about a different plan? As much as I have been excited woolly mammoths my entire life, let's try something a little different. Let's shrink the elephants we have, and introduce them into North America. Elephants the size of bison, roaming the continent. You can still make them cold tolerant, to handle winters, and give em some fur if you want. But the elephants we have are going extinct, and you're worrying about bringing back something else. How about we save what we have? Let them roam and graze Europe and North America, replacing the Aurochs and the bison. God knows we're not going to stop eating anything too cow like, so wild bison is basically right out. Let's let the elephant fill these niches, and save the species. They're too fucking smart to let die. Elephants got fucking religion, y'all. We cannot let them die.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Reintroducing mammoths in the arctic could potentially help reduce the climate change.

There is a scientist in Siberia who built the Pleistocene Park. An area where he reintroduced a lot of large herbivores and studied their impact. He's saying that boreal forest have a very low biodiversity compared to mammoth steppes. The steppes have way more animals, are stocking way more carbon in the soil and prevent methane leaks by keeping the permafrost frozen due to the low albedo of the biome.

The problem is that with the mammoths are indispensable to maintain the steppes. They are the only animal big enough to clear up trees, without them the forest is taking over and all the ecosystem of the steppes disappear.

So (according to this scientist), resurrecting the mammoth could revive a whole ecosystem, with a very rich biodiversity and that could have a give impact on the climate.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So there is a good reason, then? I've googled it before, and the best answers I've gotten are basically "cause MAMMOTHS!"

If that's the case and there's a good reason, then hell yeah, do whatever we can to prevent climate collapse!

But also, give me small elephants, please? Especially if they can manage Chihuahua sized elephants. I would have so many! And I would make sure they always have a clear view of the moon goddess they worship

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don’t let me harsh your vibe here, but are you sure about the moon thing? https://www.iflscience.com/the-internet-appears-to-believe-elephants-worship-the-moon-58666

I’m down with chihuahua-sized elephants, though, don’t get me wrong here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean, I figured it was more meme-y than accurate, but good to know. Still, they're smart as fuck and mourn their dead, and seem to have rituals, sacred spaces, and generational knowledge. Shrink them suckers down and let me give a whole herd of petite pachyderms a patch of paradise, please

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We need to answer the age old question - what did wooly mammoths taste like?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Got the woolly m, just need a few more letters.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I'd like to buy a vowel. "U?"

Damnit!

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[–] NauticalNoodle 7 points 1 month ago

gotta start somewhere

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"We were like this close" 🤏

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