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I have a feeling they're gonna charge like $200 to $400 more then blame the regulators.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Battery replacement is an issue, but is easily solved with good design. I don't need the thinnest phone that's difficult to hold, a few extra mm won't affect my life negatively. I'd rather have something usable and maintainable.

My biggest gripe however is the built in obsolesce of software support life. Perfectly good electronics are rendered useless by the system not receiving software / security updates after a couple of years.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Only EU is doing the right thing here for consumers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Some manufacturers have longer support than others. I don’t know how to encourage that but maybe there needs to be a minimum acceptable

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I'd like to see a requirement for microSD card storage. The cost of storage an phones is entirely deplorable

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And the same for the headphone jack. Getting rid of it just so they can force you to buy planned e-waste fast is less convenient and more expensive should be a crime.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Huh? There's not enough roooom, you all wanted smaller phones right?

Rubs nipples

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thinner* since there are people actually wanting smaller phones (and I have a jack on my zenphone 10 so size isn't an issue), they've been blaming thinness and water resistance for the drop of the jack

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Both of which have proven to be lies by the likes of the Sony Xperia phones which still do nearly everything right. I say nearly because they're plagued with bad fingerprint sensors which is the only reason I had to stop using my 1 III.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

Begrudgingly

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

It sounds like the regulation is weak enough that the manufacturers won't have to do much. I have to say batteries or chargers have gotten better. Batteries used to fail all the time, but they last much longer now. So people are less bothered.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Wasn’t it actually apple with the adhesive strips that can easily be removed when a current is applied? Such tech would be awesome if more generally available

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Just a couple of years back, you would get replacable batteries, at least from "phone shops" with dedicated tools.

Designing a water tight enclosure which can be opened to replace a battery isn't exactly rocket science. It doesn't need to be as easy as a fairphone.

Sure some brands will do malicious conpliance and guess what, people will bux from other brands.

[–] RamblingPanda 1 points 2 months ago

The galaxy... S5? had that several hundred years ago.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They'll either make the phones dumb again, or make the batteries replaceable again.

If they do the latter, they'll probably just make them even thinner, requiring you to replace them more often.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

they'll make smaller shittier batteries that die more quickly so that they can charge more to replace them and put proprietary control chips inside them so either third party manufacturers of better batteries will have to "violate copyright" in order to make them work or YOU'LL be required to "violate copyright" to make them work, thus locking most people without the technical skills to circumvent the 'security' into only buying the shitty 'official' batteries until MORE regulation comes along to make them cut that shit out. In the mean time they'll be blaming the regulations for the shittiness they adopted.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They'll make them replaceable and ignore waterproofing them for 99% of models citing the added difficulty in making a good seal without being able to glue it shut. Which is arguably true. It's possible, but more difficult to design and much more likely to fail.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I don't know why waterproofing phones became de facto standard. How often will that waterproofing actually come to use?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Having worked in retail phone repair for 15 years, both for a major US carrier and privately... A lot.

I saw water damaged phones every single day, and I'm hundreds of miles from an ocean, sea, lake, or any major body of water. That's just from mistakes near things like backyard pools.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is because waterproof devices ~~will be~~ might be exempt from having to have replaceable batteries.

Some manufacturers are already eyeing an exemption for batteries used in "wet conditions" to opt out electric toothbrushes and possibly wearables like earbuds and smartwatches. The exemption is "based on unfounded safety claims," states Thomas Opsomer, policy engineer for iFixit, in RepairEU's post.

Source

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

they will put the battery in a section not waterproof under the back cover. the replacement battery will come with a waterproof glue circle around the contacts. when replacing it, you will rub off some old glue and seal it again by inserting the new one. water can enter the back cover, but do no harm there.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

If your battery is replaceable, there will be cheaper 3rd party options.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

We will have to see.

Apple can charge $400 more, but if Samsung doesn't, then they will lose market share.

And the EU is still one of the worlds three biggest markets.

So I am not really concerned.

And worst case, I switch to a Fairphone, which might not be bleeding edge, but it is still a better phone than my previous gen flagship Samsung or the flagship iPhone that came before it.

I see it as just running 2 years behind.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I need to see the regulations before I make a prediction.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They will sell repair kits.