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[–] [email protected] 192 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (23 children)

This only works if you go to the green countries:

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 week ago

What a chad move

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago (6 children)

What if I go to the gray countries? Do I despawn?

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago

You can't go there until the next expansion.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

They have deathright citizenship. You automatically become a citizen if you die in their territory.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Green: unlimited birthright citizenship Red: Limited birthright Citizenship Gray: (At least from my own country, Switzerland): No birthright citizenship

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago

It's pretty telling about how much Americans know about other countries that the assumption is that Jus Soli is the norm.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago

Chile would be good. It has a fairly strong passport, which I believe is stronger than the USA one in 2025 (before Trump), since it can still travel to the EU visa free.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 109 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Haha, that's not how it works outside the US.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (2 children)

*for the most part.

Some places it does.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

TIL the rest of the Americas don't exist

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Doesn't work in most countries. Being stateless isn't very fun.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (6 children)

US citizenship comes from the mother, if born abroad. The baby would automatically be a US citizen, possibly have dual citizenship.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Most countries don't have birthright citizenship.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

Yes, I’m just saying that the baby of a US woman would not be a stateless person if born in a country that doesn’t have it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That is technically true, while missing a key fact. Birthright citizenship is the norm for countries in the Western Hemisphere. The vast majority of countries in the Americas have birthright citizenship. The USA is not some rare outlier here.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think any european country has it..

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Most European countries actually do in a limited fashion. Countries that have signed the Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness grant automatic citizenship at birth to people that would otherwise be born stateless.

More countries should adopt birthright citizenship. It has a lot of utility to it. It prevents the formation of a multigenerational undocumented underclass and greatly assists in the assimilation of immigrants into the broader culture. It's simply a fact of life that some immigrants will enter a country illegally. And while it is bad enough that they may live the rest of their lives in hiding, it's even worse when people are born into that condition. You can end up with generation after generation, people with little to no ties to their "homeland," living as a permanent underclass because they lack citizenship.

It's also a protection against some forms of tyranny and oppression. A favorite tool of tyrants is to strip citizenship from their victims. They'll sometimes go back generations and declare decades-old immigration cases as fraudulent or invalid. Look at the Rohingya genocide, where the Myanmar government declared an entire minority group to be illegal immigrants. Having a hard rule that says, "if you were born here, you have citizenship," prevents these tactics from being used on anyone except actual immigrants. Tyrants can still target immigrants, but their children are protected.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Uh, very few countries have birthright only citizenship.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

Here's the list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli#Unrestricted_jus_soli

If I'm counting correctly, 34 countries with unrestricted birthright citizenship, and 40 with restricted.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Americans posting memes against American Imperialism, while simultaneously having an American-Centric worldview about the world in regards to citizenship.

Ironic.

(No offense to OP 😉)

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 week ago (11 children)

That isn’t the plan you think it is. The US is an outlier in terms of granting birthright citizenship. Most countries - and particularly, most developed countries - do not do this.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 week ago

Well your kid won't get citizenship, but you'll be able to afford to birth them.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Is birth citizenship that common? Won't work here in Germany for example...

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Literally zero European countries do it. It seems to be in the Americas only, and Chad and Tanzania. The concept that this is some human right apparently only applies to he US.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah that's because we had a whole thing of people claiming that people born enslaved weren't citizens or eligible to vote

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago

No need to go overseas, almost all countries with birthright citizenship are in the Americas.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Don't choose Germany, though, we (and a lot of nations, actually) still for some reason have citizenship-by-blood/heritage laws more or less straight out of the 19th century, not citizenship-by-birthplace laws.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (9 children)

As a German myself I would like to here some arguments why citizen by the place you happen to be at birth is better?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Basically: Resident enfranchisement. It's weird, when people born in our country and having lived here their whole life can't vote outside of local elections. My own father, for example, had a Dutch background, and was never allowed to vote in federal elections until his death. (Neither he nor I even spoke/speak a single phrase of Dutch)

Yes, things have gotten somewhat better and easier with applications for citizenship, but that there are hurdles like that to begin with, is a bit.... weird.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

Yeah, the way things work in Norway and I expect in most other European countries is that you don't get a citizenship for just being born here, but if you're born and raised here, then by the time you're of school age you'd have lived here long enough to become a citizen, and unless your parents isolated you, you shouldn't have any problems with language requirements.

Basically the system here is "stay here for long enough and make a bit of effort for integration and sure you can become a citizen".

Of course, the far right loves to portray this as "unrestricted immigration" and make it harder for people to do that, or even live normally, get education and services for their kids, etc. And then complain when the result is people who feel that the system isn't working for them, or who have trouble because they're uneducated and poorly integrated anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Both jus soli (citizenship by birth) and jus sanguinis (citizenship by blood) exist more for historical reasons than because one is better than the other. Both are simply a way to try and make citizenship a more clear-cut thing, because it's as close to being a made-up thing as you can get, especially in cases such as parents having a different nationality to the child (which is even more confusing when both parents are of different nationalities).

Jus soli is more common in the Americas due to various factors, including an incentive towards immigration from richer countries during colonial times and the various movements towards emancipation of the enslaved peoples a few centuries later, but the fact remains that neither system is any more arbitrary than the other. Jus soli is often favored because it simplifies things like immigration and asylum seeking and reduces statelessness, which is still a significant issue that affects millions of people worldwide, mostly around war-torn areas.

As mentioned in another response, enfranchisement is also a very important issue that jus soli resolves, although a significant part of it is also due to other, unrelated citizenship laws that may not necessarily conflict with jus sanguinis.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

No European country has unrestricted jus soli for nationality. Ireland was the last one to restrict nationality by-soil to children of long term legal residents, which is the same as Germany.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The better term might be "abroad", rather than "overseas". Because Jus Soli is a concept that exists mostly in the Americas. So you'd better not cross over the Atlantic or Pacific sea for this plan.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Imagine US citizens flying abroad to have anchor babies.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

And failing at it because most other countries don't have birthright citizenship 😂

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Also airlines won't let a pregnant woman travel at that point

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

It's a good era in which to not have children. Expect a lot of forsaken children.

Also expect some coerced birthing programs such as the Leibensborn program (which was also an excuse to recruit young women as sex slaves for the Schutzstaffel ) and the offspring were supported by the state and raised by the single mothers.

This is the program that inspired the Handmaid program in Margaret Atwood's Gilead, in A Handmaid's Tale

And J. D. Vance is super thirsty for it, as is countless other Freedom caucus and MAGA Republican officials.

ETA That said, it might be a good time to get sterilized and commit to not having kids. (That doesn't mean you won't have chances to parent)

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

We don't recognize birthright citizenship. You'll have to fill in the paperwork like everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Ireland: Proof of residency for 3 out of the last 4 years before the child gets an Irish passport. It's enough to present utility bills or paychecks for that period. I did it, and my kids only have Irish passports (even though they'd be entitled to both) until they are old enough to make their own decision in this matter. Or Trump decides to expand his golf course to the entire island.

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