My dream is to start a co-op bicycle shop/worshop once I finish my mechanic traineeship. But the other trainees don't seem to share my vision, they only care about making lots of money…
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I'll come help out at your bike shop.
What are they thinking, owners make the most money.
I recently waxed the chain in my bike, can I join?
Good enough, you're hired!
I always give 100 percent of what I get paid. Minimum wage equals minimum effort.
I always give 100 percent of what I get paid. Minimum wage equals minimum effort.
That seems acceptable, but I'm not sure what that does for your chances of promotion. Typically people move up by doing more than they are obligated to do.
Promotion? You mean the guy who gets paid worse than hourly because they're expected to do unlimited overtime on their salary? Haha no thanks.
Welcome to the Peter Principle:
The Peter principle is a concept in management developed by Laurence J. Peter which observes that people in a hierarchy tend to rise to "a level of respective incompetence": employees are promoted based on their success in previous jobs until they reach a level at which they are no longer competent, as skills in one job do not necessarily translate to another.
I mean, the counter-argument is that nothing is stopping you from creating such a co-op today. You not doing it is seen as a point in favor of capitalism/ruling class.
Show them wrong?
Funding is stopping me. Lack of investment money to get started. Access to capital.
I don't have the luxury to stop being an employee, even momentarily because I need the income
Which is precisely the argument they give for why capitalists are needed, and thus warrant recompense (at the expense of the worker).
They've designed the system intentionally this way, to keep people dependant on them.
Agreed. It's very hard to beat the system from within. And their arguments only make sense within it.
Now if only there was a way to break the system... 🤔
That's not a natural outcome. That's an artificially created made up barrier. That does not justify capitalists. That shows how they have purposefully rigged the system to be reliant on them.
Systematically unfair system requires us to continue unchanged to the advantage of an incredibly small number dbags who own everything already, 'cuz they have all the money to invest'. Good critical thought dude.
Oh don't get me wrong, it's a thoroughly unjust system. That is just their argument for perpetuating it. (I could definitely have phrased it better)
And I also believe it's rigged.
Which means that the only way to win is to break the rules, or play a different game, which sounds more ominous than intended. But I do believe we need to do away with capitalism, or the very least capitalists. Either the $1 billion "you win" cap, or just a wholly different way of economic organisation. Other options are available, but few are as civil.
How many banks have rejected your business proposal?
You seem to not understand the difference between an investment and a loan
I have applied to a few accelerator programs and haven't gotten a response
One thing is to get money in exchange for ownership of the company and the other one is to get money that has to be paid back no matter what
So you're not willing to take any risk? Weird.
It’s different kind of risk when failure means you may not eat or become homeless.
The rich do not incur that kind of risk when they engage in “entrepreneurial-ship”
It's clearly over their head.
They were given bootstraps to pull themselves up by, so everyone else should be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps too!
Nope. Incorrect.
Racism: the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another
When a system oppresses you, no bootstraps to be had.
That's just another white supremacy myth meant to make it look like some people just don't try hard enough.
https://www.ibramxkendi.com/how-to-be-an-antiracist/
That will explain it. If you cared to do your own research instead of regurgitating the crap that's been spoonfed to you your whole life.
Sigh... it's never safe to assume you don't need the /s these days huh
My parents were immigrants themselves and I immigrated again to a different country in my 20s. I arrived with a backpack of clothes, an old laptop and money to pay a shared apartment for a few months.
But cool story you came up with to justify your prejudice.
Yes I will take marginal amount of risk but no I won't gamble everything
Some people get the opportunity to try things risk free, and others need to risk everything so if they fail the consequences are very negative
Can you imagine to post your idea and look for participants on lemmy?
Can't afford to take the chance. Most startups fail and people generally only see the succes cases. If you're not dependent on work you can afford to take chances like this.
To be honest, with my current job, I would have a 4 days work week, it would change absolutely nothing. I wouldn't even have to work more on the other days.
Wish this was acceptable to work as, I sit in the same position. I think I am averagely productive at only 23% of the days...
that's a lot of work on Wednesday
Yeah it's Thursdays for me when I realize that I haven't done shit this week and need to crank out a bunch of stuff haha
It's that one day with no meetings.
Its only 40s of work.
We need to normalize not just starting worker owned and run co-ops, but taking over businesses and converting them to these co-ops.
Federate the co-ops, establish a shared workforce (one co-op goes under/not enough business at x? Come work at y) and have them become actual workers councils
The Marxist critiques of this are not lost on me, co-ops are not immune to exploitation and fool proof by virtue of existing under capitalism but I think we need them for two reasons:
Sitting around and waiting for a revolution from a small group of people with one idea of how to run things is a bad idea
We need to practice what actual day to day life will look like. I think the experiences and connections made will far outweigh all of the bookclubs, protests and other purely political avenues of organizing
It doesn't need to be all central planning and state owned, it doesn't all have to be zaney pure communal experimentation right from the start ..people could just literally experience going to work at a normal job but feel the agency of having a say in their workplace, not live in fear of an overbearing boss, decide their wages, always have a place in case their job implodes or they become redundant (bounce to co-op y).
Sitting around and waiting for a revolution from a small group of people with one idea of how to run things is a bad idea
This is just a strawman of vanguardism . The bolshevik revolution was only possible with the overwhelming support of the peasants and proletariat class. A revolution is literally not possible without huge numbers of soldiers turning on the government.
I don't disagree with this, but even in your statement they had overwhelming support of proletariat. There will be no vanguard if we don't have an organized, unionized, proletariat. So I still think as it stands we're just waiting around for a small group of people to do the revolution and just accept their conception. Which would be a bad idea, which is why I think workers need to realize aspects of this world that is worth fighting for right now
What is the name for a strategy to cut out shareholders?
I imagine it's something like, we syrike and demand 60% of controlling shares or else company dies.
Price tanks, workers buy their own discounted shares.
5 years later do it again, seize 60% of the remainder.
Continue until shareholders are fully marginalized and financing is done through regular finite terms loans. Preferably from loans direct from the central bank at the policy rate.
It is literally impossible to be 100% productive at work - even machines start to break down if they're constantly being run at full capacity.
Design them to work up to 1500w and limit "100%" to 750w. Now you can always run at 100% just fine.
Gotcha, so when the boss tells me to "give 110%" I can go ahead and translate that to 55%.
And then not do that either.
Exactly. I make sure I give a really good 30% or so on most days.
I work at like... 40% over the whole week? Thats what they pay for, so thats what they get.
I get most of my work done on friday afternoons. It is also the only time of the week when I actually enjoy work. Finally I can relax, knowing the phone won't ring. (And I start feuds with anyone who calls me on my workphone on friday afternoons!).
That hump day is real shit though.
I work 4 10s with Wednesdays off. Deal.
101% is abit much...
count again