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Canada’s largest Muslim organisation is outraged over a bill introduced by the Quebec government that would ban headscarves for school support staff and students.

“In Quebec, we made the decision that state and the religion are separate,” said Education Minister Bernard Drainville, CBC News reported. “And today, we say the public schools are separate from religion.”

But the National Council of Canadian Muslims (NCCM), who are challenging in the Supreme Court the original bill that forbids religious symbols being worn by teachers, say the new bill is another infringement on their rights and unfairly targets hijab-wearing Muslims.

“This renewed attack on the fundamental rights of our community is just one of several recent actions taken by this historically unpopular government to bolster their poll numbers by attacking the rights of Muslim Canadians,” the NCCM said in a social media post.

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[–] NewDay@feddit.org 2 points 43 minutes ago (1 children)

I hope Germany will do the same. In the western world there is no room for religion in authorities and public owned institutions.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 points 21 minutes ago* (last edited 20 minutes ago) (1 children)

For Germany there is no room for Muslims in the Muslim world. Only Zionist European colonists.

[–] NewDay@feddit.org 2 points 11 minutes ago (1 children)

Cringe bro. Germany is a secular country. There is no room for relgion in authority and public owned institutions. Article 4 GG says that all people have the freedom of practising their religion in private. If you work for a authority you have to be neutral because you represent the federal state.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago* (last edited 3 minutes ago)

Germans genociding Muslims is pretty cringe indeed.

I do not think you understand what the word secular means.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Legault keeps "solving" problems that don't exist to try to appear more nationalistic than the PQ.

They are just pushing moral panic against Muslims to appear like they are doing something to protect QC culture. At the same the same time they have defunded french language classes. And they keep not saying anything about how the feds are consistently discriminating against African francophone potential immigrants.

There is no culture war with Muslims in actual Quebec society beyond the shit the CAQ is stirring to stay in the news. There are no armies of niqab wearing fanatics trying to take over our cities. But it costs the government nothing to push this crap. This is all shadowboxing for appearances.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Can I wear a hijab for non-religious purposes?? You know, like EVERYONE WHO WEARS A HIJAB??

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

The fact that it's a religious organization opposing the ban proves it is religious

[–] AlolanVulpix@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

The fact that it’s a religious organization opposing the ban proves it is religious

It doesn't prove it per se, but it's a good indication. But also religion should have no place in government.

[–] SecurityX@lemmy.ca 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I have mixed feelings on this topic.

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 6 points 14 hours ago

Me too,

Blanket ban on all religions I'm all for.

But this doesn't stop someone secretly wearing a torcher cross under their shirt.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The two things that have sown division in this world since forever, rich and poor, and religions

I'd get rid of all religions if I could, but if not that, this is a good step. Schools are not about indoctrinated ideas, it's about learning science and facts. Sure, teach about religions (and don't skip the parts where religion absolutely fucked this world over sideways) but sldont condone the practice of it on school grounds.

If you want to live in the stone Age then go back to a country where that is allowed. If you want to live in a civilized country, then don't expect your religion to be catered to at every corner.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

Part of what makes Canada great is that it's charter of rights and freedoms upholding individual self expression, as long it does not bring harm to others.

A piece of cloth on a person's head, whether it's a hijab, turban, kippah or nun's veil brings no harm to others.

This is a misstep and a breach of Canadian values in my opinion.

[–] Iapar@feddit.org 35 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I think it's a good move that Christians aren't allowed to wear crosses in public anymore. Always reminds me of pedophiles and that makes me feel uncomfortable.

[–] UnderFreyja@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

They're not, the CAQ is nothing but hypocrites on the subject. They excluded Christians symbols from the get go.

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[–] small44@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

By banning religious signs you do the opposite of separating religion from the state, since the state is forcing people to hide any sign that the person is from a religious group.

There is also the problem that there is thousands of religions that may have their own signs how can you known all the religion signs and ban them? Also beards can be considered a religious sign should we also ban it or require a certain beard length limit just like peoole used to measure how short a women skirt is?

I hope this don't make more visible divisions between canadian. Right know most of the separation is shiwn online.

[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

I heard arguments about it in other spaces that made a lot of sense to me. Like a judge who ought to be able to visibly set their religion aside while exercising their authority, rather than signaling possible conflicts of interest in the very office such would compromise. I think I'm even on board with that reasoning. By that same reasoning, maybe it's appropriate to also restrict displays of religious affiliation by school staff.

But why students?

That's blatant cultural suppression and I cannot conceive a remotely coherent justification for it. And why the focus specifically on people showing their faces? Can you imagine if we mandated a certain amount of cleavage? How the fuck is this anybody's business?

This just has me re-evaluating the cultural protectionism/outgroup suppression I'd previously deemed adequately justified.

[–] rex_meatman@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Eliminate tax free status of ALL religions. Fine and charge all public displays of religion that are outside of their own properties, be it private or congregations. So sick and tired of seeing our laws bend to include or exclude religions. It’s a wonder that after 3000 some years that the Abrahamics still have this much pull.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The Canadian charter of rights and freedoms guarantees freedom of religion. That means freedom to worship in private or public. Unless you're planning on bending the constitution, you can't remove public display of religion in Canada.

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[–] Sami@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I don't think this law bans all hijab but just the niqab which is the one that also covers the face and is generally seen as fundamentalist in most Muslim countries. The bill itself says face and not head covering. Not to say that this entire bill isn't driven by some level of xenophobia (Christian symbols and holidays are seen as heritage/culture while non-Christian ones are seen purely as religious etc)

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Christian symbols and holidays are seen as heritage/culture while non-Christian ones are seen purely as religious etc

Exactly -- these items of clothing are not even religious, they are cultural! Cultural cleansing under the cover of state secularism.

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[–] Sektor@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Wrapping women up is the tool of oppression, so good for Canada.

[–] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Personally, I think all religions can go fuck themselfes and I also think that you are right, wrapping up women is a tool of oppression.

But this is exactly the same: Forcing women what (not) to wear. This is bad for those who want to wrap themselfes up and this is bad for those who get problems with their shitty families who don't want them to go to such places. So fuck that shit, too.

[–] Zutti@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Women can make that decision for themselves, individually, based on what they are comfortable with.

[–] rylock@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Ah yes, because muslim family units are beacons of freedom, self-expression and feminism. No threats of shunning or violence, ever.

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[–] blunderworld@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I think this is wrong. I get that the hijab is complicated ethically, as it's expected of Muslim women. Wether or not it's consensual is debatable, sure.

I've also spoken to Muslim women who claim to be wearing it voluntarily, because it makes them feel less objectified and more comfortable in their own skin. It's also a connection to their cultural and religious background, which is important. As a non-Muslim, I don't really think I'm qualified to argue. I don't think it should be the provincial government's decision either. At the end of the day, it's a piece of cloth... What does it really hurt?

When I lived in Quebec, I saw plenty of Christian religious symbols. Will removing those be enforced as well?

[–] smorks@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago (13 children)

apparently, yes. crosses, anyways:

The ban, meant to separate the state from religion, also outlaws Christian crosses, Jewish kippahs and Sikh turbans.

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[–] DicksAndPizza@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (43 children)

It’s literally a piece of cloth. How is that a fundamental right? I was forced to take my cap off at school back in the day. What about my rights?

I have nothing against Muslims. But I have a problem with people emigrating to other countries and then crying about having to follow rules and scream DISCRIMINATION!

Go somewhere else then. Omg… it’s not like they’re forbidding Islam or something. Just practice it at home instead.

In Germany, pork is banned in school cafeterias and during Ramadan, SOME teachers ask ALL students not to eat during recess/breaks out of respect for fasting Muslims. Fuck that. This is Europe, not the Middle East.

It’s like moving to china and then demanding that chopsticks need to be replaced by forks, otherwise they’re literally nazis lol.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You are spreading misinformation: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/germany-bans-pork-under-sharia-law/

And of course Islam is as European as Christianity is Middle Eastern: both are true.

[–] DicksAndPizza@lemm.ee 1 points 11 minutes ago* (last edited 10 minutes ago)

Islam is absolute bullshit and an abomination.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

It’s literally a piece of cloth.

Right...

Damn, I was hoping we wouldn't have your type around here.

Edit: I really should have quoted the other part, I think you softened the wording (slightly). I just hate the attitude of "blend in or stay out".

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