A community to organize and discuss the growth of the fediverse as a whole
Deeleelee said basically exactly what I thought when I read the original thread on Reddit.
idk man one look at your post history and you seem insanelycombative, I don't think this one falls on every instance of every lemmy community lol
maybe you need to chill out and just let dumbasses have their own dumbass opinions. most people aren't here for debate club
disabling inbox reply notifications because based on your post history, i do not want to engage with you
OP of that comment is a bitch lol
I wouldn't be on Lemmy at all if I hadn't been randomly banned on reddit without any reason given and they instantly denied my appeal asking what rule I broke.
There are none of the many game specific subs I would frequent on Lemmy. Even if a sub does exist for one of the games I play it has 2 users and the last post was made by a bot about an update from 3 months ago with zero comments.
The porn is worse and somehow even more filled with bots not labeled as bots. Lately I have seen a lot of very clearly bots just spamming porn from reddit subs as links to the reddit which just seems comical.
The general userbase on Lemmy seems to mostly contain people from a pretty specific band of the political spectrum and they are extremely hostile to anyone that even sorta varies from their mindset.
My reddit account was like 12 years old and have hundreds of thousands of post and comment karma on it. I still have no idea why it was suddenly banned with no way for me to contact any human about it.
Lemmy just doesn't have the same communities I frequented and there is no fix for that other than waiting until there are so many users that eventually that niche group I used to converse with daily finds their way over here.
I'm not mad at Lemmy for not being exactly like reddit, but it just doesn't scratch the same itch that reddit did because of it's smaller size and lack of populated niche groups.
I see posts on the "everything" page on Lemmy from the same handful of people which makes it feel like it's really just a site for those 5 or 6 repost machines to post their stuff 24/7.
There are none of the many game specific subs
Which ones are they?
I play a lot of games that arent like SUPER big so the subreddits tended to be smaller, but at least there were people to talk to about the game and the updates. Like Hunt showdown. There is a sub on Lemmy but its basically a ghost town.
I looked for a couple other games I was playing at the time and none of them had subs or if they did they were dead.
Nothing against Lemmy. It isuy doesn't have the user volume required to fill out those more niche communities.
Nothing against Lemmy. It isuy doesn’t have the user volume required to fill out those more niche communities
That makes sense
So many upvotes too, that's crazy
Yeah, Reddit probably just messed up with the numbers
Just the usual case of survivorship bias. The long term subscriber base of "we need to go elsewhere" gathering points is mostly comprised of people that either don't vibe with the majority destination for whatever reason, disagree that there was ever a reason to leave in the first place, or don't actually want to leave but just want to complain about the current place.
Reddit sucks but lemmy is waaaaay more hivemind than even Reddit due to the extremely low numbers and banning over counter arguements. This place is just as hostile and just as much mod abuse goes on over comments they disagree with.
The number one thing to do to fix lemmy is just block .ml lol
And .world
yeah the ml brigading is the worst thing on lemmy and hold influence over many communities not on the ml instance
[email protected] and public modlogs are a main difference with Reddit
The mod log is terrible, because it’s public and there is no right of reply.
A mod can write anything there and it’s permanent.
Indeed, but power tripping mods are also known, so if you get banned from a power tripping mods nobody would take that into account
I genuinely don’t know what point you are trying to make, or why you follow me around and bring up my modlog whenever we meet.
I don't follow you around, I'm literally the OP of this thread.
Also, checking the modlog is usually a good practice when people complain about moderation.
Preach
While I think he's overreacting a bit, I could absolutely see how he'd come away with that opinion. I mostly agree with him, as a broad assessment of Lemmy.
In terms of content, 90% of whats active is politics. That leaves like, 10% of the already small content pool for users who aren't interested in it. At the same time, this lack of content (and lack of users) centralizes content in just a few, broader communities.
In terms of his assessment of users, I could definately see this too - esspecially in the bigger communities he was likely pushed towards (by the lack of content). Lemmy does have an elitism problem, both on the tech side and esspecially on the politics side. Making it even worse, there's a pretty good chance he ended up on .ml or one of the worse tankie instances, or at the very least, was frequently interacting with them due to their size and activity. If he didn't immediately block the tankie instances, I'd be more suprised if he didn't come away with a negative impression.
In terms of mods, it'd depend a lot on which communities he tried to participate in, but again, I could easily see how he'd end up having this experience. Even ignoring the massive presence of totalitarian bootlickers on Lemmy, as I previously said, the lack of content causes things to centralize. In theory, you can split off to your own communities, but in practice, its nearly impossible unless a mod simultaneously pisses off the whole community at once as happened with 196. Even then, the community needs to be quite large to jump-start the competing community. Until Lemmy gets large enough to have multiple communities running in parallel or for new communities to quickly and easily grow, mods will continue to be a potential problem.
All that said, I'm still here. I think, despite its issues, Lemmy has a much stronger foundation. Unfortunately its still missing most of the rest of the structure (or rather, content) needed to compete with other platforms.
90% is politics? Where did you pull that statistic from?
I'll also point out that the statistic, if true, is not at all a universal metric because my All feed and your All feed are not the same if we're on different instances. Over here, I might see 5% political content if I squint just right, otherwise it's pretty much negligible.
I don’t agree that Lemmy is 90% politics. But it is pretty political especially since the US election and Elon Musk becoming quasi president means that there is a huge amount of politically related posts about tech. One of the most active topics on Lemmy.
For the most part I have effectively culled most of the politics I don’t want to see out of my feed but it wasn’t automatic which makes it a hurdle for people who aren’t invested in giving the fediverse a shot beyond the first impression.
You will be hit with a deluge of leftist thought when first on-boarding to the fediverse. Offering starter packs for new people on-boarding with a no/low politics pack that…
…would do a lot to improve the experience of people new to Lemmy that are looking for a more casual experience. At least in my opinion I think it would
[email protected] latest announcement included default blocking of politics in All
I really like the way they handle onboarding and wished that kind of tooling was baked in as the default experience for all Lemmy instances
I think this would go a long way to helping. It won't necessary hold users, but will at least keep them from bouncing off of it so violently as this Reddit user did. Imo, its a combination of this with the lack of other content that prevents more significant growth on Lemmy. The rough, often politically focused onboarding, scares people, and then when they go to try and find their favorite communities, they see no activity, leaving the impression that the site is nothing but politics.
Its a rough estimate, yes, but I don't think its an unreasonable one. I mean, one of the biggest Lemmy instances (.ml) is named for a political ideology. Unless you're defederating from all of the biggest instances, politics will make up a majority of the active content available.
Regardless, thats besides the point. The point is the lack of non-politics content. I can't find content for Counter-Strike, or War Thunder, or Dota. Even Minecraft gets almost nothing, and its likely the most played game in the world. I know there is some other niches out there, but I'm using those as examples because they're all massive, multiplayer focused games, with content that lends itself to discussion or sharing, that I regularly have to go back to Reddit for to follow. Lemmy is lucky to get a post a week from all of them combined. If users can't find discussion on things they're interested in, at best they'll end up looking at broad-appeal communities from top or active (like politics) and at worst, they'll just leave.
Edit: I just did a quick check on my instance's active feed. Of the top 20 results, 10 were undeniably political, and two more were debatably so. So for a more tame instance, around 55% of content being politics is a realistic estimate. I also checked Lemmy.ml, since its one of the main instances new users are directed to, and it was 14 political to 6 not, so 70% there.
Counter-Strike, or War Thunder, or Dota
Are those three still that popular? I'm a League of Legends player, and the game is much less active than let's say 5 years ago.
[email protected] or [email protected] on the other hand are quite active here
At time of writing this comment, CS2 is most active on Steam, Dota is second, and War Thunder is 16th. Even if you write CS2 off for having too many bots, (which is fair,) the other two are still very active and very popular.
I guess the overlap between those games populations and Lemmy is quite small.
When you think about it, [email protected] isn't that active for the most popular sport on the planet
I have an 18 year old Reddit account.
My experience with mods, personal attacks, are much much worse on Lenmy.
The biggest communities in .ml and .world have mods that are similar to those of /r/conservative . Anything they don’t like, they just delete and ban and attack you in public on the mod log.
I had a previous account, now deleted, where mod [email protected] banned me , Wrote that I was a transphobea d a racist and a vote manipulator.
I asked him about it, he said sorry I got the wrong guy, I’ll unban you - but his comments remain on the modlog .
To elaborate, i accidentally banned you, when i really meant another person who was all those things.
I tried to get those comments removed off of the modlog, i did - however due to lemmy's decentralized model, it's not possible.
I'm really sorry about that. I've become much more careful with mod actions after that (i.e more vague ban reasons, to not defamate), so that never happens again.
Respect
You managed to get banned from a whole instance and 3 additional communities on another instance in less than 24 hours
Yes, that’s kind of my point .
You still don’t understand that was one post, do you ?
Anybody else noticed that they just described reddit to a t (minus the fact that Reddit does offer more niche communities, and I am ASSUMING that's what they mean by more content). I've been on Reddit since 2012. And I promise you the only thing that's ever changed about reddit is the bots and content farms. It's always been shitty mods, shitty people, and mostly shitty content. The height of reddit IMHO was the r/circlejerk era. Reddit was shit, but at least people acknowledged it, and were very tongue in cheek about it.
i maintain that reddit is much better for porn than lemmy. lemmynsfw has real "front page of pornhub" energy
I never understood why people use Reddit (or even Lemmy) for porn, beyond that I'm shocked there isn't a dedicated site for porn Reddit with how big a criteria for porn existing is on Reddit
well, i also mean things like RandomActsofBlowjobs and other hookup subs
Isn't Reddit porn mostly people advertising their OF nowadays?
yeah but at least those OF creators have fursuits