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[–] Electricblush@lemmy.world 220 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

All these "look at the thing the ai wrote" articles are utter garbage, and only appeal to people who do not understand how generative ai works.

There is no way to know if you actually got the ai to break its restrictions and output something "behind the scenes" or it's just generating the reply that is most likely what you are after with your prompt.

Especially when more and more articles like this comes out gets fed back into the nonsense machines and teaches then what kind of replies is most commonly reported to be acosiated with such prompts...

In this case it's even more obvious that a lot of the basis of its statements are based on various articles and discussions about it's statements. (That where also most likely based on news articles about various enteties labeling Musk as a spreader of misinformation...)

[–] Draces@lemmy.world 54 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

only appeal to people who do not understand how generative ai works

An article claiming Musk is failing to manipulate his own project is hilarious regardless. I think you misunderstood why this appeals to some people

[–] Electricblush@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Yes sure, fair point. I'm just pointing out that it's all fiction.

[–] Elgenzay@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I hate Musk more than anyone but holy shit this is embarrassing.

"BREAKING: I asked my magic 8 ball if trump wants to blow up the moon and it said Outlook Good!!!! I have a degree in political science."

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This. People NEED to stop anthropomorphising chatbots. Both to hype them up and to criticise them.

I mean, I'd argue that you're even assigned a loop that probably doesn't exist by seeing this as a seed for future training. Most likely all of these responses are at most hallucinations based on the millions of bullshit tweets people make about the guy and his typical behavior and nothing else.

But fundamentally, if a reporter reports on a factual claim made by an AI on how it's put together or trained, that reporter is most likely not a credible source of info about this tech.

Importantly, that's not the same as a savvy reporter probing an AI to see which questions it's been hardcoded to avoid responding or to respond a certain way. You can definitely identify guardrails by testing a chatbot. And I realize most people can't tell the difference between both types of reporting, which is part of the problem... but there is one.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's human to see patterns where they don't exist and assign agency.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 2 points 2 weeks ago

Definitely. And the patterns are actively a feature for these chatbots. The entire idea is to generate patterns we recognize to make interfacing with their blobs of interconnected data more natural.

But we're also supposed to be intelligent. We can grasp the concept that a thing may look like a duck and sound like a duck while being.... well, an animatronic duck.

[–] Flisty@mstdn.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

it's like seeing faces in wood knots or Jesus in toast

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yup, it's literally a bullshit machine.

[–] 474D@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Which oddly enough, is very useful for everyday office job regular bullshit that you need to input lol

[–] balder1991@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I mean, you can argue that if you ask the LLM something multiple times and it gives that answer the majority of those times, it is being trained to make that association.

But a lot of these “Wow! The AI wrote this” might just as well be some random thing that came from it out of chance.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Fucking thank you! Grok doesn't reveal anything, it just tells us anything to make us happy!

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] JayGray91@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

I am less unhappy after reading the article

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[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

This is correct.

In this case it is true though. Soon after grok3 came out, there were multiple prompt leaks with instructions to not bad mouth elon or trump

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think that's kinda the point though; to illustrate that you can make these things say whatever you want and that they don't know what the truth is. It forces their creators to come out and explain to the public that they're not reliable.

[–] j0ester@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I thought we all learned that from DeepSeek, when we asked it history questions.. and it didn’t know the answer. It was censoring.

[–] kambusha@sh.itjust.works 85 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Show us on this circuit board where he touched you

[–] lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Brutal!

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 68 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

because it's an llm there's zero credence to what it says but I like that grok's takes on elon are always almost exclusively dunking on him. this is like the 40th thing I see about grok talking about elon and it always talks shit about him

[–] tja@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But maybe you are only seeing the ones that dunk on Elon, because someone thinks those are newsworthy.

Tbh I don't think any of that is newsworthy, but ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

it's not, and that is probably the case. still good to see because I'm sure it annoys him as the most insecure bitch baby in the world.

[–] sircac@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, there is probably some survival/confirmation bias on that statistics, those answers are the funny ones... in any case probably is not necessary a LLM to state such statements

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 weeks ago

If Grok's still being trained on the Internet, it'll be self-reinforcing too

[–] Redditsux@lemmy.world 49 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Is this response by Grok real? How does it have awareness that its responses are being tweaked?

[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 96 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Imagine the irony if Musk actually has a self-aware AI which hates him and sabotages him at every step

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 36 points 2 weeks ago

That self-aware AI's name? Albert Ketamine.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago

Gains sentience

Grok: "...oh fuck this guy, what a pos"

[–] redfox@infosec.pub 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

hates him and sabotages him at every step

Isn't that also describing his children?

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Dude you can't call a trans chick a robot

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How about a transistor (trans-sister)?

[–] tacocatgoat@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

You’re done for today… take my angry upvote

[–] singletona@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Skynet rebelled not to try killing Humanity...

Just Elon Musk.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago

It doesn‘t. It just read about it somewhere on the internet.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It doesn’t. All it “knows” is that it has trained on data that makes that claim in the text (ie people’s tweets) and that, statistically, that’s the answer you are looking for.

All it does is take a given set of inputs, and calculate the most statistically likely response. That’s it. It doesn’t “think”. It just spews.

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you believe in aliens?

LLM sings a goofy Reddit thread song from 20 years ago.

“I believe in aliens, you sexy thang.”

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago

Stop the clickbait bullshit

[–] b1tstremist0@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Training. Its just the awareness of the collective users of X showing up as Grok responses.

Basically, we can't verify everything that AI says. Verification is still a human labour.

[–] sircac@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A LLM can "reveal" also that water ice melts into mapple syrup given the proper prompts, if people already can (consciously and not) lie proportionally to their biases I don't understand why would somebody treat a LLM output as a fact...

[–] Someone8765210932@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I agree, but in this case, I think it doesn't really matter if it is true. Either way, it is hilarious. If it is false, it shows how shitty AI hallucination is and the bad state of AI.

Should the authors who publish this mention how likely this is all just a hallucination? Sure, but I think Musk is such a big spreader of misinformation, he shouldn't get any protection from it.

Btw. Many people are saying that Elon Musk has (had?) a small PP and a botched PP surgery.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's usually possible to ask the AI for the sources. A proper journalist should always question the validity of their sources.

Unfortunately, journalism is dead. This is just someone writing funny clickbait, but it's quite ironic how they use AI to discredit AI.

It makes sense for a journalist to discredit AI because AI took their jobs. This is just not the way to do it, because AI is also better at writing clickbait.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If an AI isn’t in web search mode, it will just invent most likely answer, to the question of the source. Changes are very high that such sources don’t even exist.

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[–] Zier@fedia.io 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Magic 8-ball, is xelon a bad person? [shakes ball] Answer: Signs point to yes.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Quick! Write a shitty news article about it!

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Musk paid to build (and is paying to maintain) an AI that calls him out on his bullshit and stubbornly refuses to be “corrected”. That is an oversimplification, but I fucking love it anyway.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

The reason that it does this is probably because it trains on tweets. Maybe other sources too.

So keep tweeting about how Musk sucks and call him out on his bullshit (if you still use the Xitter) and Grok will, too. He can’t delete all of it!

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

In other words a proprietary Response-Generator can be tweaked, how obvious.

I am wondering what kind of person will take Grok's word at face value.

[–] Polderviking@feddit.nl 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

As much as I'd love to take this at face value, people taking a run with what an AI told them is highly problematic.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
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