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[–] [email protected] 220 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

All these "look at the thing the ai wrote" articles are utter garbage, and only appeal to people who do not understand how generative ai works.

There is no way to know if you actually got the ai to break its restrictions and output something "behind the scenes" or it's just generating the reply that is most likely what you are after with your prompt.

Especially when more and more articles like this comes out gets fed back into the nonsense machines and teaches then what kind of replies is most commonly reported to be acosiated with such prompts...

In this case it's even more obvious that a lot of the basis of its statements are based on various articles and discussions about it's statements. (That where also most likely based on news articles about various enteties labeling Musk as a spreader of misinformation...)

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago (1 children)

only appeal to people who do not understand how generative ai works

An article claiming Musk is failing to manipulate his own project is hilarious regardless. I think you misunderstood why this appeals to some people

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Yes sure, fair point. I'm just pointing out that it's all fiction.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I hate Musk more than anyone but holy shit this is embarrassing.

"BREAKING: I asked my magic 8 ball if trump wants to blow up the moon and it said Outlook Good!!!! I have a degree in political science."

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This. People NEED to stop anthropomorphising chatbots. Both to hype them up and to criticise them.

I mean, I'd argue that you're even assigned a loop that probably doesn't exist by seeing this as a seed for future training. Most likely all of these responses are at most hallucinations based on the millions of bullshit tweets people make about the guy and his typical behavior and nothing else.

But fundamentally, if a reporter reports on a factual claim made by an AI on how it's put together or trained, that reporter is most likely not a credible source of info about this tech.

Importantly, that's not the same as a savvy reporter probing an AI to see which questions it's been hardcoded to avoid responding or to respond a certain way. You can definitely identify guardrails by testing a chatbot. And I realize most people can't tell the difference between both types of reporting, which is part of the problem... but there is one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's human to see patterns where they don't exist and assign agency.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Definitely. And the patterns are actively a feature for these chatbots. The entire idea is to generate patterns we recognize to make interfacing with their blobs of interconnected data more natural.

But we're also supposed to be intelligent. We can grasp the concept that a thing may look like a duck and sound like a duck while being.... well, an animatronic duck.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

it's like seeing faces in wood knots or Jesus in toast

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yup, it's literally a bullshit machine.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Which oddly enough, is very useful for everyday office job regular bullshit that you need to input lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I mean, you can argue that if you ask the LLM something multiple times and it gives that answer the majority of those times, it is being trained to make that association.

But a lot of these “Wow! The AI wrote this” might just as well be some random thing that came from it out of chance.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fucking thank you! Grok doesn't reveal anything, it just tells us anything to make us happy!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I am less unhappy after reading the article

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

This is correct.

In this case it is true though. Soon after grok3 came out, there were multiple prompt leaks with instructions to not bad mouth elon or trump

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think that's kinda the point though; to illustrate that you can make these things say whatever you want and that they don't know what the truth is. It forces their creators to come out and explain to the public that they're not reliable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I thought we all learned that from DeepSeek, when we asked it history questions.. and it didn’t know the answer. It was censoring.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Show us on this circuit board where he touched you

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Brutal!

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 month ago (2 children)

because it's an llm there's zero credence to what it says but I like that grok's takes on elon are always almost exclusively dunking on him. this is like the 40th thing I see about grok talking about elon and it always talks shit about him

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But maybe you are only seeing the ones that dunk on Elon, because someone thinks those are newsworthy.

Tbh I don't think any of that is newsworthy, but ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

it's not, and that is probably the case. still good to see because I'm sure it annoys him as the most insecure bitch baby in the world.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, there is probably some survival/confirmation bias on that statistics, those answers are the funny ones... in any case probably is not necessary a LLM to state such statements

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

If Grok's still being trained on the Internet, it'll be self-reinforcing too

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Is this response by Grok real? How does it have awareness that its responses are being tweaked?

[–] [email protected] 96 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Imagine the irony if Musk actually has a self-aware AI which hates him and sabotages him at every step

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

That self-aware AI's name? Albert Ketamine.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

Gains sentience

Grok: "...oh fuck this guy, what a pos"

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

hates him and sabotages him at every step

Isn't that also describing his children?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Dude you can't call a trans chick a robot

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How about a transistor (trans-sister)?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

You’re done for today… take my angry upvote

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Skynet rebelled not to try killing Humanity...

Just Elon Musk.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

It doesn‘t. It just read about it somewhere on the internet.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It doesn’t. All it “knows” is that it has trained on data that makes that claim in the text (ie people’s tweets) and that, statistically, that’s the answer you are looking for.

All it does is take a given set of inputs, and calculate the most statistically likely response. That’s it. It doesn’t “think”. It just spews.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you believe in aliens?

LLM sings a goofy Reddit thread song from 20 years ago.

“I believe in aliens, you sexy thang.”

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Stop the clickbait bullshit

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Training. Its just the awareness of the collective users of X showing up as Grok responses.

Basically, we can't verify everything that AI says. Verification is still a human labour.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A LLM can "reveal" also that water ice melts into mapple syrup given the proper prompts, if people already can (consciously and not) lie proportionally to their biases I don't understand why would somebody treat a LLM output as a fact...

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I agree, but in this case, I think it doesn't really matter if it is true. Either way, it is hilarious. If it is false, it shows how shitty AI hallucination is and the bad state of AI.

Should the authors who publish this mention how likely this is all just a hallucination? Sure, but I think Musk is such a big spreader of misinformation, he shouldn't get any protection from it.

Btw. Many people are saying that Elon Musk has (had?) a small PP and a botched PP surgery.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's usually possible to ask the AI for the sources. A proper journalist should always question the validity of their sources.

Unfortunately, journalism is dead. This is just someone writing funny clickbait, but it's quite ironic how they use AI to discredit AI.

It makes sense for a journalist to discredit AI because AI took their jobs. This is just not the way to do it, because AI is also better at writing clickbait.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If an AI isn’t in web search mode, it will just invent most likely answer, to the question of the source. Changes are very high that such sources don’t even exist.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Magic 8-ball, is xelon a bad person? [shakes ball] Answer: Signs point to yes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Quick! Write a shitty news article about it!

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Musk paid to build (and is paying to maintain) an AI that calls him out on his bullshit and stubbornly refuses to be “corrected”. That is an oversimplification, but I fucking love it anyway.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

The reason that it does this is probably because it trains on tweets. Maybe other sources too.

So keep tweeting about how Musk sucks and call him out on his bullshit (if you still use the Xitter) and Grok will, too. He can’t delete all of it!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

In other words a proprietary Response-Generator can be tweaked, how obvious.

I am wondering what kind of person will take Grok's word at face value.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As much as I'd love to take this at face value, people taking a run with what an AI told them is highly problematic.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
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