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One professor is not the same as a university. He's talking about universities rolling over, because they are (or were, it's kind of too late now) the ones in this situation that have the power to take a meaningful stance.

But how is fleeing the country not “giving up before you fight”?

Trying to seriously answer... he's a researcher that studies fascism, so his most effective means of fighting is to continue his work. He's a more valuable fighter as a researcher than he is as a guy on picket lines. If he continues his research, it's a net gain for everyone - specially if he continues advocating, like he is already doing by talking about this with media.

He praised other faculty at Yale for standing up against the attacks on their profession and said he wished he could stay and fight with them.

“I don’t see it as fleeing at all,” he said. “I see it as joining Canada, which is a target of Trump, just like Yale is a target of Trump.”

Stanley’s profile has also risen since then after the publication of several books on propaganda and fascism. The Munk school is building a program with the view that there’s an “international struggle against democracy” and provides a “very exciting intellectual opportunity”, he said.

“I don’t see it as fleeing at all,” he said. “I see it as joining Canada, which is a target of Trump, just like Yale is a target of Trump.”

Elbows the fuck up.

It's better than simply obeying & complying. It shows that there are punishing consequences - we lose our top educators etc

I assume he’s going to continue his work, just from outside the US. Giving up would mean stopping his work.

Don't forget wearing glasses.

educated professional in America ((STEM))

I get what you're saying, but there's no need to exclude the humanities from this. In fact, between this Yale prof and the way Columbia gave in to the administration's demands, it looks like STEM profs haven't yet been targeted in the same way.

They don’t even need to criminalize your conduct to indefinitely detain / deport you, and you might be deported to a country with even less due process / human rights protections.

It’s an important distinction, because it means they don’t have to criminalize things that their allies also do in order to catch their intended targets.

Wow, I can't believe how common this is becoming. There was an article about this recently, https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/03/gold-card-residence-abroad/682103/ (archive https://archive.is/q3iCF )

Out of curiosity (and on the off-chance that it helps out a fellow USian) how are you getting out? What's the path you've picked, if you've gotten that far, or what options are you considering?

"Unalived" might be a euphemism that's only necessary on certain social media to avoid censorship nowadays, but people were using the term "disappearing" (especially as a transitive verb) during Chile's Pinochet regime, if not earlier.

"Disappear" used in that way is not new. Unfortunately.

Unalive and disappear don't change the meaning of the thought, and they circumvent ideological restrictions that intent to restrict thought. This is opposite the effect of newspeak.

many, many millions of people, going by the election results.

I've honestly had this thought, 4 years of military / civil service and you get citizenship to Canada.

When I immigrated to Canada the process was rather arduous, and the categories under which you could immigrate were quite restricted. It depends on your skills, your age, your finances, your family (if any) in Canada, which employment categories Canada is prioritizing, and so on. There's information here for anyone considering it:

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada.html

And a questionnaire to find out whether you're eligible to apply to immigrate to Canada:

https://onlineservices-servicesenligne.cic.gc.ca/c2c/