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I highly doubt that, the rest of the world buys stuff from a China like crazy as well. They should be able to send the stuff elsewhere instead quite easily. What you're saying sounds just like something the orange idiot would say.

China needs US consumers far more than US needs Chinese consumers

Isn't this the entire calculation that Republicans, and frankly, all free market types have gotten massively wrong?

That's not how trade deficits work, unless you've been drinking the koolaid for far too long.

Its not like the market for Chinese goods goes away because the US consumer has been priced out through self owns. So maybe China takes a bit of a hit? They can raise prices elsewhere to compensate or just take the L. But its no catastrophic game breaking L because literally the entire world buys Chinese goods.

Please go around your house and count what percentage of the things you own say "made in china" on them.

this isn't about needing consumers. it's about needing imported goods. how much does the US need things imported from China and how much does China need imports from the US?

also what ... how does the US not need Chinese consumers, it's a ginormous market, have you been sleeping for the last couple of decades where every big American company has been specifically marketing to China?

$361 billion as of 2024. But that doesn't mean they need the US. They're still doing a lot of trade with the rest of the world. And this won't be stopping trade entirely, the US will still be importing a lot from China.

There's also $36 trillion in offshore tax havens, but I don't see anybody complaining about that so wtf should we care about 200 billion? How much has USA given to Israel?

False.

U.S. goods exports to China in 2024 were $143.5 billion, down 2.9 percent ($4.2 billion) from 2023. U.S. goods imports from China in 2024 totaled $438.9 billion, up 2.8 percent ($12.1 billion) from 2023.

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/china-mongolia-taiwan/peoples-republic-china

There are far more consumers than producers.

So another way to say it is: US consumers are highly reliant on Chinese producers with few other options. Chinese producers are somewhat reliant on US consumers, but there are options all around the globe.

I would but my military doesn't have nukes

Sic Semper some damned Tyrannis already.

What we have right now is the best opportunity to end this administration peacefully by causing a GOP revolt against him. But to do that, we need the world to help make this as painful as possible.

Well, the problem here is time. Trump (and the electoral cycle tbh) is so goddamn volatile and supply chains take so long to organize, that a change really is as good as a rest in this case. By the time they manage to re-organize supply chains and get new domestic supply off the ground, it'll be three or four years from now probably, and at the rate things are changing, who fucking knows what things will look like by then. It's just as possible that all this tariff stuff ends tomorrow as it is to persist, so it's safer all around to wait and see.

I disagree on that. The Euro is the second most widely held currency and is a more obvious choice. Working constructively with China is economic reality. Submitting to them is unnecessary. This isn't post-WW2. I don't think we need a single reserve currency.

There is no doubt China is going to benefit greatly. A huge number of developing countries have been deserted by the US that first walked away from soft power through US Aid then penalised the poorest countries with outrageous tariffs. China has been by far the smarter player.

Every time i order magnets, they get lost. Probably because they end up on the wall of some container of truck or van