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[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Part of why I moved to the city was wanting to escape the car based nightmare of the suburbs. Couldn't do much of anything without a car or an extremely risky walk.

I could have walked a mile to the train station with no sidewalks , and then paid $20 for a ticket into the city on a train that stops at like 10pm, but all of that sucks. I stayed inside and played a lot of video games.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

$20 a ticket??

Yikes.

What city?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I looked it up, it's $15 currently. Suburban NJ to Manhattan.

$15 is still kind of a lot when you're a kid

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

I hate when nature is absent. It's not just urban centers. Large suburban parking lots with no trees are a kind of hell for me.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In the US, compare a city like Houston, TX to a city like Portland, OR. Seems like two different planets.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

bruh same. everytime i have to ride through suburbs im just like damn this is so depressing and ugly

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

I like urban centers even when they're relatively devoid of nature. What I don't like is when nature is pointlessly absent. A bunch of tall buildings providing living, working and recreational space efficiently to lots of people? Excellent. Asphalt to the horizon so that people can drive to Walmart and then drive to Applebee's? Soul-crushing.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is why I want to move to the netherlands. Beautiful countryside, walkable cities. Shit, I could bike to nearby cities there if I wanted to.

I'll never be able to afford to leave the hellhole known as the usa, but damnit I'll dream.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I live in Norway. Growing up, some days in school were reserved for diverse activities. Some of my friends and I decided to bike to the swimming park in the city ~20 miles away. We didn't have to bike on car roads at all to get there, as bike lanes and good side paths lead us the whole way. Being able to get anywhere with a bike at the age of 14 is an amazing level of freedom.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Growing up in the 90s in the usa, movies and tv always showed kids riding around on their bikes and not coming home until dark. Where the hell did they go? To get from the suburbs into town would be 10-20 miles riding on the edge of the highway almost wherever you live. No shoulder, no bike lane, no nothing (I did this to get to work for about a year. it sucked, got hit by a truck twice in that time.)

Norway sounds great.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Riding bikes was a fun activity. The point wasn't to go somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Riding around in the suburbs get old fast if you can't occasionally go more into the city or out into the countryside or to some other interesting place.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I didn't feel like it ever got old, as a kid. I used to love riding down hills with my friends, with our feet off the pedals to see how fast we could go. Or we'd just ride aimlessly until we'd see some old building to explore, or an animal to try to catch, or a tree to climb, or an interesting person to talk to. I don't think I started feeling like we needed to be going "somewhere" until I was a teen. People aren't as nice about groups of teens riding around randomly.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

samsies <3 Netherlands looks wayyy mor intrstng <3 <3 <3

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 months ago (2 children)

i know a place that looks extremely similar to that

[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, it's called america. Unless you zoom in on a liscense plate, you don't know WHAT state that is.

Well.....I guess it's not Hawaii. Besides that though.....

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago

"I guess it's not Hawaii"

Meanwhile hawaii:

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

You’re not wrong, but if not for the massive billboards and the american branded vehicles- ive been to a number of cities in Europe and the UK that look like this or worse, with more traffic and more, much larger buildings….(i currently live in Germany…) Also, places in Hawaii do look like this, too, unfortunately…mostly Maui and Hawai’i where there’s this much space, but Ohau’s south shore has been bad far a long time 😕

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

I'm sure there's some Geoguessr player who can tell you where there's a Subway by a Hertz rental car across from a Speedway gas station, but a stroad with nationally available brands along it doesn't narrow things down much.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Stroads are the worst thing america ever invented.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago

It's depressing seeing this in my city. Full groves of trees and fields ripped up and destroyed for another McDonald's and more and more apartments. It never ends does it ?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

sounds american

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

Here in the Europes, I find curbside parking similarly depressing. Like, man, it should be a human right for kids to be able to go outside for playing ball. But you can't do that anywhere around here, because wherever there's kids, you can be sure that someone's parking their precious car nearby.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

Only sort of related but The Florida Project is a great film that shows children playing in the dismal misery of Florida, much like in this photo.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That's why I moved out into the forest to raise my boy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

...so that he'll need to be driven by you to be able to hang out with any of his friends? Sorry, I don't really understand.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I'm only 3 miles out of town. My boy is 3, the kid across the road is 5. They're already living their best childhoods like Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn. They know how to identify and harvest edible mushrooms. They pick blackberries and huckleberries by the bucketfuls in the summer.

My property is a few acres, has a pond with fish. It backs up to a state forest. All redwoods. A healthy salmon creek runs right by the property. There are fire roads and logging roads webbed all through the forest, so we can hike and mountain bike to our hearts content all from our front door, no driving.

I'm building zip lines and tree weaves for the kids, I'm turning the off-house 3 car garage into a pub with a bar, taps and pool table. So long story short, all his classmates and their parents drive out here to play, not the other way around. This is the place to be.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Yeah, that's ugly but it isn't a residential neighborhood. Kids don't go outside because cell phones exist.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (4 children)

My cousin went for a walk in their aunt's residential neighborhood, and someone called the cops on them.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I remember visiting family in Michigan a few years back (well, right before COVID), and someone called the cops on my cousin and I sitting on the driveway shooting the shit at 9pm in the summer, like, wtf?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

The media is a fear machine.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A college friend of my sister and friend were walking on the sidewalk on a road like this in Buffalo NY and a cop car rammed into them paralyzing one of them from the neck down.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Jesus Christ, that's awful. I wish that your friend will recover, though I know all too well how slim those prospects are. How many days of paid vacation did the cop get / which department did they move to?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They moved to a dept in another county :( The county (so the taxpayers) did pay the family like 1 mil but she needs a nurse pretty much permanently which costs a lot

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Small tangent, but dude, NextDoor is a hell app. I used it for less than one day before I deleted it for being a festering cesspool of breathless Nancy Grace energy. "YOU GUYS MY RING CAMERA CAUGHT SOME TEENAGERS WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND THEY WERE LAUGHING?! WHAT WERE THEY LAUGHING ABOUT?!" Straight up, besides the caps, not exaggerating.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

I was walking on my street until some lady going 80mph almost hit me. My road elevation changes enough that at that speed you don't see someone until its too late at that speed.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

To an outsider the whole zoning approach in US seems weird.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I visited Taipei and I was surprised to see no free-standing single-story homes even relatively far from the city center. People lived in row-houses four or five stories tall, and the first floor of pretty much every single one of these houses was occupied by a small store or restaurant. Many streets were very narrow and mopeds were common but cars less so. It was much livelier there than in a US suburb (or even many US city centers) and I enjoyed my tourist experience. Still, I would prefer to live in a quieter, less dense American-style suburb and drive if I needed to do anything except enjoy my property, but I can see why many people would prefer the opposite. I think it might be like being an introvert or extrovert.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

American style subdivisions are the absolute worst for kids, nothing to do at all.

Walk around the same 5 streets with 150 houses around, get kicked out of all of the common areas by Karens and HOAs.

Kids don't go outside there either because there is not much of a point, if you're lucky there may be a tennis court that you can hang out at.

Good luck going to see your friends from school though, even though they live in the neighborhood across the street, the street in question is a 5 lane highway with no pedestrian bridge or tunnels.

Wanna go somewhere with other kids your age, better hope you can have someone drive you.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

It’s not just the kids’ cell phones. It’s the 24 hour outrage and fear driven by the news and/or social media. So their parents won’t encourage them to wander off, and as others have mentioned the neighbors will call the cops on them if they do wander.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

I live in a residential neighborhood. The main demographic that can afford to move in to the suburb is people already nearing retirement with grown up kids. My kids are constantly bored out of their heads outside because there's nothing to do, nowhere to go, and nobody to play with. We've hosted seven exchange students and the number one culture shock is the loss of independence that goes with moving into a car dependent suburb. Our city design, pretty much everywhere in the US, blows ass. We could be doing so many things so much better, and it would actually cost everyone, taxpayers included, less money. We are all literally paying orders of magnitude more to do the stupid shitty thing and pretending that it's great.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's the same outside that was there in the 80's. Kids just do other things that aren't outside to be social, now. When I was a kid, if you wanted to play with other kids, you pretty much had to go be outside.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

The same outside but even more car and distracted driver.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've seen cops hassle people for walking down the median before.

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