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[–] RamblingPanda 122 points 1 week ago (21 children)

Like, I really understand where this is coming and I see why it's that way. But I'm also really tired of being seen as a threat just because my way home seems to have some overlap. How do I react to make clear I'm not interested in rape, violence, stalking, whatever? I just want to get home to my dogs, there's no need to prepare your keys to gouge my eyes out.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

In all seriousness, what are men supposed to do with this besides feel bad?

Or is that the point?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Not getting mad when someone feels threatened by you is a pretty good start.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Constantly being treated like a bad guy, no matter what you do or how hard you try gets wearing. Right or wrong, it makes some men apathetic.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

On top of not suggesting that making men feel bad is the point (it's not), this comment seems to provide helpful tips: https://reddthat.com/comment/18247122

What I'd also recommend is being an ally to women in your life already. If women felt more male allyship during the inside/day, then maybe they'd be less fearful of men outside/at night.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (19 children)

If women felt more male allyship during the inside/day, then maybe they'd be less fearful of men outside/at night.

What an inane take on the subject. Men are willing to help women so often that it’s a large factor in male on male violence.

This is a microcosm of the whole issue. Yes there are dangerous men and they’re often dangerous to both men and women.

The consequences are often different as men are significantly more likely to be violently assaulted, and more likely to be killed, while women are overwhelmingly more likely to be sexually harassed or sexually assaulted.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

What I'd also recommend is being an ally to women in your life already. If women felt more male allyship during the inside/day, then maybe they'd be less fearful of men outside/at night.

Been doing that for about two decades now.

I've gotten guys slipping roofies in girls drinks thrown outta bars.

Gotten in many verbal arguments protecting LGBTQ folks against bigots, a few came to blows.

Much more than that as well, all the worldview of an anarchist that fundamentally believes any system, at any level of society, that perpetuates injustice is itself unjust, no matter how it claims to work, worked for nonprofits helping the homeless... particularily women domestic abuse survirors...

... Doesn't matter, I am a white male, dress fairly tradtionally cishetmale most of the time, and I am now very, very used to being prejudged as potentially violent, getting insults thrown at me criticizing a worldview I don't have.

Even more ironic in that I've actually been domestically abused (physically assaulted, if that isn't clear) by a former female partner...

Wasn't ... part of tearing down the patriarchy... supposed to include encouraging men to be ok with being more vulnerable, being ok with crying, not being judged for expressing buried emotions, in a a non threatening manner?

...

Has anyone ever said to you, or have you ever said...

Wow, I didn't realize what I was saying, the way I was saying it, was hurtful to you... I'll try to be more conscious of how my actions affect those around me, in the future?

... And really, truly, mean it?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

If it's not about you then don't worry about it

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

For some of us, like certain spans of the autistic spectrum, that really isn't a simple ask.

Because we do worry. We do feel empathy. We can't help but feel like we're still being lumped in.

We are already so paranoid from a lifetime of being blamed for every little deviation that it's just more of the same.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Fellow Autist here:

We are being lumped in.

I can't tell you the number of times I have gotten into arguments to defend someone's ... non conformity to societally standard gender norms, societally standard sexual preferences, societally standard cisness (?), against some MAGA hat wearing dudebro...

Only for that very person, who was present with me, as I defended them verbally against some asshole, in person...

To then, some months or weeks later, literally scream at me when something completely unrelated to any of that upset them...

... and they throw every single rhetorical device and phrase at me that they throw at actual male chauvanists, and also simultaneously attempt to deride my insufficient amount of stereotypical macho manliness.

And this wasn't a single person doing this.

It has been multiple people, many times, all self described leftists or liberals who all just immediately revert to all the insults they'd hurl at an avowed white neonazi.

Oh well, I guess I am at least used to constantly being misunderstood and shunned from society because of an inherent way that I am different from most people that I have no ability to fundamentally change.

intense deadpan stare to emphasize the galactic levels of irony

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

"Uhhh, yes ALL MEN, why would you say not all men?"

"Uh not all of them obviously, I don't mean the good ones. If you thought I was targeting you when I said all men are bad, threats to innocent people, and need to be kept out of public spaces and valuable positions. Obviously you are a bad person."

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Ditto: I literally take pubic transit to work every single day and every single time I hop off I hop off with these 2 other ladies, and they always pretend to check their bag so that I walk ahead of them and they can see me.

I totally understand why they do that but it still is just dehumanizing to me, specially after literal years of getting off at the same stop.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago

This constant promotion of the sense of fear is one of the biggest ways we destroy any sense of local community.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago

Run up to them, and announce that you don't intend to harm them and then ask where they live so you can safely escort them home.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Just avoid looking at anyone for longer than a second or two, but don't try to look like you are avoiding looking at anyone. If in close proximity, acknowledge their existence and then focus on something else. If they start conversing, reciprocate but do not try to keep the conversation going if it trails off. If they don't appear to open to a conversation and you are in close proximity, a small nod to indicate you noticed them and then changing your focus is a really good way to indicate you noticed them, but are not interested in interacting with them.

This really puts victims at ease. I mean strangers. Yeah, strangers.

Seriously though, just existing in the same space and not forcing interaction does put people at ease. Being overly friendly or acting like you are trying to avoid noticing their existence is suspicious for good reasons.

[–] RamblingPanda 26 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Me: exist without an extensive list of precautions.
Women: oh no!

But to be honest, I've stopped looking at people at all because this costs me so much energy and at some time I just gave up. If this makes me look like a threat then I'm sorry.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (21 children)

So I have to run through a check list for every single encounter I have just to not be treated like an animal. I can't just exist and go about my life? I mean, I don't see this helping the problem.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That'd work until you happen to get a reptile enthusiast on the show that can recognize the species, at which point you just have a show of a guy completely missing the point whilst nerding out over snakes.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago

I would watch that show. 😉

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Not a reptile enthusiast, but knowledgeable enough to know a few things about them.

A well fed snake, hell most snakes (not all, some constrictors you don't want to fuck with) won't see a human as food, and won't attack unless provoked. Don't sneak up on a snake, don't step on a snake, don't harass a snake and it won't give 2 fucks about your presence.

A venomous snake usually (there's always an exception) has a "neck", if you can see where it's head ends and it's body begins it's more likely venomous than it's danger noodle looking counterpart.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are a lot of exceptions. Most of them, as it happens.

Vipers have that "neck" and a wider head than their bodies. Elapids typically don't, and can be extremely venomous. In fact, the most deadly venomous snakes in the world are elapids including cobras, taipans, and black mambas.

Tl;dr: Rarely wise to step on snek.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 week ago (4 children)

There’s no progressive form of sexism

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I understand the problem people have with men and more specifically toxic masculinity, but this gender wars bullshit only serves to further separate people. What's the purpose of saying "men are rapists" or "men are violent"? It's fine in the context of venting/talking with people facing similar problems, but because it entirely misses the sociological causes, it can cause people come to incorrect conclusions like "kill all men" or "all men are inherently bad because..." which essentialises their gender.

Men aren't inherently bad. It's patriarchy and toxic masculinity that you should be upset at - two sides of the same coin, really.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)
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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This gender war identity politics shit is just key jingling to distract the masses from the fact that the new robber barons are simultaneously fleecing everyone's retirement and inserting a knife into our collective kidneys.

Glad to see a lot of comments just ain't falling for it.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Didn't we learn as children that stereotypes are bad and hurtful? Like why is this one an acceptable thing to lump all men together under the same group? The rhetoric rarely makes a distinction. It lazily doors not differentiate the different problem groups within that and stops at blanket statements that cover more people who aren't the issues than are.

When you treat an entire gender as the enemy, stop being surprised when the young men are increasingly not acting like allies.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

The power of rhetoric being forgotten is probably my chief criticism of the “purity test” wing of the left. Perfect being enemy of the good is very lost on people who seem not to want to acknowledge that even things they don’t like might have nuance.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Guess we should fear all snakes then! Or all sharks! That hasn't lead to extreme fear based reactions where entire populations suffered because of fear due to a portion of the population being potentially dangerous.

The point about not knowing which one might be dangerous is a good point, but example is terrible. Use unsafe mechanical equipment or something instead.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago

So we're fixing the division along gender lines by becoming... more divided?

Feels like the insinuation here is that, as a woman, it's acceptable to base your personality on men as long as you believe all men base their personalities on hating women.

Maybe just accept that humans are complicated and nuanced and you can't judge an entire gender based on the actions of the worst members of that gender.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago

Reminds me of when Donald Trump Jr. compared Syrian refugees to a bowl of M&Ms with some of them poisoned. Same argument, same mindset.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm going to ignore the most heinous aspects of this and just say, I'd love to be introduced to a variety of venomous and non-venomous snakes and would likely find it to be a pretty cool experience. Snakes are neat and the venomous ones are often beautiful and fascinating.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I think the point is that people who say (shout) "Not All Men" are usually frustratingly insensitive and the thought of throwing them into a snake pit is fun. We know it's not all men, we aren't stupid, but we also know that even 1% would be one percent too many to feel safe alone with a stranger (and, unfortunately, statistics suggest harassment is certainly more than 1%!).

Well, most people aren't that stupid. There's a few who are, but I don't think they'd be posting here, lol.

That said, reading the comments, I get why some are offended even though being male is the privileged class in this comparison (after all, I don't feel afraid to walk home at 1am). Men are fucked by the patriarchy, told to repress their emotions, degrade people who break from masculinity, and so forth. But instead of saying "you're being sexist against men," please try to think of the systemic problems that led to that X% of assholes who make it unsafe for a woman (or POC, LGBTQ, etc) to walk alone on a street in America.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm just reading this thread and finding it hilarious how many are triggered by this. The post isn't even saying "all men" do anything, it's specifically pointing out a small subset of men.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

That's snakist.

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